Div 2 Pts Meet @ South Ga.

[A100]

Posted on another forum by SGMP
"Ok guys I was going to keep my mouth shut but those of you that know me will understand thats hard for me to do.Here is the story it takes 330 cars to make payout. Having said that our car count was around 330 but of that only 301 were paid entries. Alochol has a payout of approx. $15000.00 but we do not collect any entry from them since the majority of them having gold silver or bronze cards so we eat that.Cost of an NHRA race is less just say twice or more of what Ronnie has said. They also get more on top of that for anything over 300 cars. We have made several attempts to work out some type of compromise with differant dates and other options but with little success.So please understand when I tell you it is not because we would not love to host the Divisional event at our faciltiy from a fincinal stand point it just does not work and this is not only the view point of our track but serveral others."

"Well thats pretty close but belive me when I tell you I would still like to do one just would like to get a little better date than we have now.We think that it is to much to ask the divsion racers todo that much that soon in the year and it hurts the racers and the tracks."



I find it humorous that five guys that don't care and have nothing to loose, lead this sport around by a nose ring and no one does anything about it.

[icebrrrg]

Originally Posted by Woodro Josey

I don't know if there is anything we as racers can say or do, but we need to get behind Rowland Wood and the SGMP and try to get NHRA to work with him and give us our Divisional race there in 2010. It is one of the nicest tracks in the country for a Divisional race, its clean, paved and run by some really nice folks. They make the sportsman racers feel like pro's, so NHRA, we need this track for a Div 2 points race.

I agree completely Woodro. SGMP is a great facility and the folks running the track have been very friendly and helpful. I was very disappointed to see SGMP off the 2010 Div 2 LODRS schedule and hope that can be changed.

Mark Berg
I/S 2665

[John Leichtamer Jr]

Track operators need to look at the Baders and see how they promote their points meet. They advertise the race as a sportsman spectacular, they have a night of fire, wheelstanders,and jet cars ,the people like that crap. and they fill the stands with this. Other tracks should look at this type of promotion.

Hammer

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by John Leichtamer Jr

Track operators need to look at the Baders and see how they promote their points meet. They advertise the race as a sportsman spectacular, they have a night of fire, wheelstanders,and jet cars ,the people like that crap. and they fill the stands with this. Other tracks should look at this type of promotion.

Hammer

The class racers HATE that crap (wheelstanders, jet cars, circus acts) so less class racers will show up. Jet cars spray kerosine all over the lanes which makes for interesting runs for the lowly sportsman racers. Its a SPORTSMAN race....not a show for "Joe Lunch box" and his rug rats. Run those circus acts at some vinues other than where the class cars trying to hook up on 9 inch tires. They always run stock and/or Super Stock AFTER the jet cars when they should run Top Fuel and Funny Ha Ha cars after them instead. Might as well go to an NHRA or IHRA National event instead where the track really SUCKS.

[John Leichtamer Jr]

Terry

Like i said its crap,but thats what puts people in the seats. Run the funny cars and dragsters after them. I hate the pony show just as bad as the next guy but people like it.

Hammer

[Alan Roehrich]

You do not need a circus to draw a crowd. You need proper promotion, decent prices, and a well run race.

You cannot draw a crowd with no promotion, and certainly not if you're going to charge $20 a head to get in, $3 for a cup full of ice with 6 oz. of Coke, and $5 for a dried out hockey puck on a stale bun.

Fans will not sit in the stands and look at an empty track with a floor scrubbing machine, either, especially not at $20 a head.

You can't buy in a circus act or a dog and pony show and get $20 a head, either. You can't draw enough of a crowd to pay for it, so it just costs you more profit.

[BobOrme]

Originally Posted by A100

Posted on another forum by SGMP
"Ok guys I was going to keep my mouth shut but those of you that know me will understand thats hard for me to do.Here is the story it takes 330 cars to make payout. Having said that our car count was around 330 but of that only 301 were paid entries. Alochol has a payout of approx. $15000.00 but we do not collect any entry from them since the majority of them having gold silver or bronze cards so we eat that.Cost of an NHRA race is less just say twice or more of what Ronnie has said. They also get more on top of that for anything over 300 cars. We have made several attempts to work out some type of compromise with differant dates and other options but with little success.So please understand when I tell you it is not because we would not love to host the Divisional event at our faciltiy from a fincinal stand point it just does not work and this is not only the view point of our track but serveral others."

I suspected as much. That's what I figured went I saw the shorter schedule in some divisions for 2010. The check a track cuts and gives to the sanctioning body for the privilege of hosting a divisional event is over 10k. Some tracks just can't afford to gamble on taking a loss from hosting a divisional.

[MacNicol Racing]

I spoke with Roland on fri. about all this and he told me that he was getting tired of being put at the tail end of an already too busy schedule at the begining of the year. You have 3 divisionals and then the Gators within 2 months and then his race. He looked at it like everyone was either broke or gone back up north. He proposed theat NHRA let him hold a double race with NO alcohol on sunday (which I think would be a great idea) or move his race towards the end of the year. When he proposed the double race the response was "why would I do that". He would write NHRA another check for $16k and they wouldnt have to go anywhere. Why wouldnt they do that? He asked to tell everyone send an e-mail the the division and tell how they felt. I personaly dont think it will do anything but I sent mine already. If we can gripe on here we can gripe in an e-mail. Kevin

bholt@nhra.com

[Casey Miles]

Here's another aspect about car counts and doing business, when the economy is in the dumps NHRA raises the entry fee to points races. I was one car count you will not get if they don't lower the entry fee or make the entry fee reasonable to the purse. To pay $160 to win $1k is totally stupid, when I can race locally for a $40 entry to win $650. I've been racing Stock since 1974 and never have I seen such greed in all that time since now. It sucks that I will have to attend at least one poinst race to get a grade point to race the Gator Nats as a vacation.
Don't misunderstand, I truely love Stock, but you have to draw lines in the sand at some time to try to get your point accross.

Casey Miles
248H

[Woodro Josey]

Kevin, the only problem with sending e-mails to Bill Holt, he will not read them, they will probably go to his spam folder!