Hood Scoops to Comp

[sprnova]

I dont care what rules you use to get there it is still a bracket race. I have qualified at a bracket race to figure out who i run first round, Its just decided by reaction time not by how far under a determined E.T. given to me. As for comp I never said it was the same that is a whole other class by itself. To refresh you memory on bracket racing here is the definition. I think over the years you have lost the meaning. Try not to think of all the people the fame ,lights, cameras or your pit spot but think of all the fun you used to have.


Bracket racing is a form of drag racing that allows for a handicap between predicted elapsed time of the two cars over a standard distance, usually 1/4 mile (402.336 m) or 1/8 mile (201.168 m).
Each car chooses a dial-in time before the race, predicting the elapsed time the driver estimates it will take his or her car to cross the finish line. This is generally displayed on one or more windows so the starter can adjust the "Christmas tree" starting lights accordingly. The slower car in the race is given the green light before the faster car by a margin of the difference between their two dial-in times. When a car leaves the starting line, a timer is started for that car. The difference between when the green light comes on and when the car moves is called the reaction time. If the drivers have equal reaction times and the cars run perfectly on their dial-ins, the cars would cross the finish line at precisely the same moment. This has never happened.
If either car goes faster than its dial-in (called breaking out), it is disqualified; if both cars break out, the one who breaks out by the smallest amount wins. This eliminates any advantage from bending the rules by putting a slow dial-in time on the windshield to get a head start.[citation needed] However, some racers will purposely dial a slower time and then let off of the throttle or use their brakes near the end of the track in an attempt to trick the other driver into breaking out. This racing technique is called "Sandbagging" and, although useful and technically legal, is looked down upon at most amateur events as a form of cheating and un-sportsman like conduct.
If a car leaves the starting line before the green light comes on, a foul is recorded (a red-light start), and that car is disqualified. If both cars red-light, the one that fouled first is disqualified. Another form of foul is to cross the dividing line between the two lanes, or the line at the edge of the racing surface. A foul is worse than a break out; one car can break out but if the other car fouls, the car that breaks out advances to the next round.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Comp can be, at times, confusing. It's almost a combination of bracket racing and first to the stripe.

'A tenth is the maximum penalty a driver/class can incur in one event. A driver that runs -.800 under in round one will lose three tenths for round two, but only one tenth permanently. So for round two, the Index will be 7.70 for yourself, and adjusted to 7.90 for everyone the following Monday'

'If a racer causes a permanent Index adjustment in two different classes, he/she is relegated to those two classes for the remainder of the season.'

Hope this helps. How'd I do, Professor Ring?

Mike,
Nice, but my head hurts!
Does the Index drop .3 for all in that class at the event?
"Relegated to those classes..." Is that real? Either case, pretty funny!
Thanks for the birds eye view.

[david ring]

I own a comp car and I'm always happy if someone wants to join us, but I don't think NHRA should force the hood scopp folks in.

As for the expense of comp versus SS-I can afford a 4 cylinder Bantum altered and am partners with the engine builder in the project, so that is what makes comp affordable for me. But one of those SS/?S or SS/?M hood scoop cars built by East Texas or B and B is way out of my price range, to say nothing of what a hemi car costs. I'm not sure that there is any car in drag racing that costs as much to build as a hemi, except aybe what it costs to build an engine shop for pro stock and that seems to be the way to go in that class these days.

And Mike Carr-your explanation was quite good-only one error

-.65.to -.699 = .05

that should be -.650 to -.709 = .05

So you only get an A-.

[Jack McCarthy]

my 2 cents...

the fastest car in any handicap eliminator has a huge advantage due to two factors.
one first redlight rule (nhra will never change it to be fair)
two driving the finish line is mucho easier (not nhra's fault)

so... the scoop guys have these two advantages... and they will fight to the death for them

anyway as i see the current evolution...
if the scoops go to comp then we get stock & superstock lumped together...

i do NOT wish for stock & superstock to get lumped but i'd like to see scoops outta SS

anyway we will be the last ot know as usual

captain jack

[Ken Haase]

Ah, another drive-by pot-stirring from the fertile mind of Don Kennedy for our winter time enjoyment.
I sincerely hope that you don't view this as a personal attack. I know how you despise those.
But in response, I don't know the time and date when Super Stock ceased to be the real S/S, but IMHO the former Modified cars certainly contributed to it's demise. And I loved the old Modified Eliminator. It should be brought back. Maybe it could replace nitro F/C? I would truly love that!

Comp Eliminator as it was explained to me:
Pro Stock, without the respect.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

my 2 cents...

the fastest car in any handicap eliminator has a huge advantage due to two factors.
one first redlight rule (nhra will never change it to be fair)
two driving the finish line is mucho easier (not nhra's fault)

so... the scoop guys have these two advantages... and they will fight to the death for them

anyway as i see the current evolution...
if the scoops go to comp then we get stock & superstock lumped together...

i do NOT wish for stock & superstock to get lumped but i'd like to see scoops outta SS

anyway we will be the last ot know as usual

captain jack

I actually have to race them, and don't mind them a bit.

[buzzinhalfdozen]

I've got a "scoop" car and I've been spotted by some "real" S/S cars so where's the advantage?

[Ed Wright]

sprnova, how many heads-up races did you have this year? Think I had six?

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Michael Lyons

Beard you sound like one of the guys from that show, big bang theory... readin your reply made my head hurt :P

I already have one comp car that ain't competitve(w/a spare obsolete chassis to boot!), now you want me to have two? :P lol

For anyone who doesn't feel like weeding through my post, Lyons' last sentence pretty well sums it up.

you could say that the only common thing Comp , Super Stock and Stock have with a bracket car is shoe polish . and dialing the car

There is no shoe polish in Comp, hence the problem with trying to force cars from one eliminator into another which bares very little resemblance to the other. Comp is an awesome class, but the bottom line is that the risk vs reward is always going to limit participation. If Comp was not a first to the finish class, it'd be more affordable, but it would also cease to be Comp.

[sprnova]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

sprnova, how many heads-up races did you have this year? Think I had six?

no heads up runs