Data collection

james schaechter · 12-13-2009, 09:39 AM

Look, "Goog" Not a lot of people run the sensor up there, but it is a better deal if you do. I would think it would fit, most drill into the bearing retainer and input then it would fit. Depending upon the trans and data collection device you have, you might be able to buy it. Most just go the easiest route and put the collar on the driveshaft and use rpm input from the ignition.

Suggestion:
Why don't you start out by telling the general public on the forum (that you expect this response from) more about yourself and the car you are assembling. Maybe tell the experts why you are looking for an urgent response. Maybe offer an appreciated but hopeful deadline if it is needed. Some alternative contacts like e mail phone, etc.

Remember, less than 10 percent of the racers in Stock and Superstock run a stick so your expectation (which apparently was F'in immediate) is probably not a reasonable one .

I don't think it is fair to anyone to throw out such requests with no stated expectation and then go nuts on people when you don't get what you want. I saw your last post in May and it was the same whiny response from you when you said you were buying an auto trans.

I have no expectations with regard to a response, but if you do read this and you are building a SSDM with a stick I think that is a cool deal. I sure don't know it all, but I have run Modified stick shift cars and do also run a stick shift stocker. I think stick guys generally help each other out, but we don't have time to lurk on the forum every day. I work 6 days a week this time of year and am trying to fit in some time for the race car with what is left. I am leaving to go do this today, so you can feel free to e mail me at jimschaechter@earthlink.net or if you need an immediate response, call me at 563-505-0293. If I can't answer your questions, I will refund your money! LOL.

Jeff Lee · 12-13-2009, 12:13 PM

12/11/09 - Goog's question posted.
1 hour, 8 minutes later, a response.
36 minutes later, Goog clarify's his question.
approximately 24 hours later, goog's tantrum.
approximately 10 hours later James post's great response.

pretty quick responses in my book!

MOTORSPORTS Innovations · 12-14-2009, 12:08 PM

As FED says the correct way is one on the input shaft and one on the pinion.

A lot of your questions will be supplied by your trans & clutch supplier. For instance the Jericho will come all set to take the Racepak sensor .

Here is an info sheet from RP that is pretty informative. Call if you need any help.

Rod Greene · 12-16-2009, 06:03 PM

It also helps if you post with a real name.
To really check what the clutch is doing aren't three sensors required? One for engine rpm one for input shaft rpm to ck clutch slippage and one for driveshaft rpm to see if you are spinning the tires. If i ever get around to finishing my Challenger it will have a data recorder on board.

Sean Marconette · 12-19-2009, 10:53 AM

Rod you are correct. BTW Look into the Computech DataMaxx system. It will give you clutch slip %. The key to getting the input shaft speed is ordering the trans with the magnet already installed in the input shaft.

Hope this helps.

Sean Marconette

John Duzac · 12-20-2009, 10:20 AM

Goog: I'm glad you asked this question. But first, Don't be a Goober-Head! Not very many cars run a stick combo. And for that reason, I believe is the most likely reason you have not received an answer. Most racers do not run a stick because they are afraid of the can. I tried running my car with the sensor on the pinion only. I had two different data loggers with not much luck. I am now going to buy a Racepak and will put the sensor on the input. The only advise I can give to you is when you get up and running, Always use your clutch to shift gears. I would never attempt to shift without using the clutch. What a scary thought!
What ever you do, get a good data logger. Stay away from the one made in Chicago! Poor product and service to match!
Good luck with your project.

Goog · 12-23-2009, 05:20 PM

I have spoken to Jerico about placing an order, and the RPM pick up. They can drill the input, or what I like much better is, make a collar that goes on the cluster. Then drill an tap the case for the pick up. I like this arrangement because it keeps everything out of the bell. I'm holding off on my order to see if clutchless trannys are approved. My personal opinion is they should not be allowed. I say this while I own a 5 speed Lenco. - Tom

12-13-2009, 09:39 AM	#1
james schaechter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 1,992 Likes: 1,293 Liked 1,436 Times in 299 Posts	Re: Data collection Look, "Goog" Not a lot of people run the sensor up there, but it is a better deal if you do. I would think it would fit, most drill into the bearing retainer and input then it would fit. Depending upon the trans and data collection device you have, you might be able to buy it. Most just go the easiest route and put the collar on the driveshaft and use rpm input from the ignition. Suggestion: Why don't you start out by telling the general public on the forum (that you expect this response from) more about yourself and the car you are assembling. Maybe tell the experts why you are looking for an urgent response. Maybe offer an appreciated but hopeful deadline if it is needed. Some alternative contacts like e mail phone, etc. Remember, less than 10 percent of the racers in Stock and Superstock run a stick so your expectation (which apparently was F'in immediate) is probably not a reasonable one . I don't think it is fair to anyone to throw out such requests with no stated expectation and then go nuts on people when you don't get what you want. I saw your last post in May and it was the same whiny response from you when you said you were buying an auto trans. I have no expectations with regard to a response, but if you do read this and you are building a SSDM with a stick I think that is a cool deal. I sure don't know it all, but I have run Modified stick shift cars and do also run a stick shift stocker. I think stick guys generally help each other out, but we don't have time to lurk on the forum every day. I work 6 days a week this time of year and am trying to fit in some time for the race car with what is left. I am leaving to go do this today, so you can feel free to e mail me at jimschaechter@earthlink.net or if you need an immediate response, call me at 563-505-0293. If I can't answer your questions, I will refund your money! LOL. __________________ James Schaechter 3163 STK

12-13-2009, 12:13 PM	#2
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Data collection 12/11/09 - Goog's question posted. 1 hour, 8 minutes later, a response. 36 minutes later, Goog clarify's his question. approximately 24 hours later, goog's tantrum. approximately 10 hours later James post's great response. pretty quick responses in my book! __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

12-14-2009, 12:08 PM	#3
MOTORSPORTS Innovations Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Hainesport, NJ Posts: 123 Likes: 0 Liked 15 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Data collection As FED says the correct way is one on the input shaft and one on the pinion. A lot of your questions will be supplied by your trans & clutch supplier. For instance the Jericho will come all set to take the Racepak sensor . Here is an info sheet from RP that is pretty informative. Call if you need any help. __________________ MOTORSPORTS Innovations www.motorsportsinnovations.com

12-16-2009, 06:03 PM	#4
Rod Greene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: TN Posts: 530 Likes: 424 Liked 242 Times in 81 Posts	Re: Data collection It also helps if you post with a real name. To really check what the clutch is doing aren't three sensors required? One for engine rpm one for input shaft rpm to ck clutch slippage and one for driveshaft rpm to see if you are spinning the tires. If i ever get around to finishing my Challenger it will have a data recorder on board. __________________ Rod Greene Real men shift for them selves. Slowly working on TA Challenger for D,E/S and a 72 Challenger for SS/K, L as if I don't have enough other projects.

12-19-2009, 10:53 AM	#5
Sean Marconette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 977 Likes: 796 Liked 275 Times in 76 Posts	Re: Data collection Rod you are correct. BTW Look into the Computech DataMaxx system. It will give you clutch slip %. The key to getting the input shaft speed is ordering the trans with the magnet already installed in the input shaft. Hope this helps. Sean Marconette __________________ Sean Marconette 84 Mustang 5060 SS/N

12-20-2009, 10:20 AM	#6
John Duzac Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Covington, La Posts: 311 Likes: 63 Liked 83 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Data collection Goog: I'm glad you asked this question. But first, Don't be a Goober-Head! Not very many cars run a stick combo. And for that reason, I believe is the most likely reason you have not received an answer. Most racers do not run a stick because they are afraid of the can. I tried running my car with the sensor on the pinion only. I had two different data loggers with not much luck. I am now going to buy a Racepak and will put the sensor on the input. The only advise I can give to you is when you get up and running, Always use your clutch to shift gears. I would never attempt to shift without using the clutch. What a scary thought! What ever you do, get a good data logger. Stay away from the one made in Chicago! Poor product and service to match! Good luck with your project. __________________ John Duzac D/S 4448 STK

12-23-2009, 05:20 PM	#7
Goog Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: pick up I have spoken to Jerico about placing an order, and the RPM pick up. They can drill the input, or what I like much better is, make a collar that goes on the cluster. Then drill an tap the case for the pick up. I like this arrangement because it keeps everything out of the bell. I'm holding off on my order to see if clutchless trannys are approved. My personal opinion is they should not be allowed. I say this while I own a 5 speed Lenco. - Tom