FORD, 5 NEW S/SS Engines

[Evan Smith]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on what Stock and Super Stock should or should not be, however, I'd hardly say the new cars will make the old ones obsolete. In the big picture there are very few Challengers and CJs, nowhere near enough to "ruin" an entire eliminator. Just ask John Shaul about winning with his "obsolete" 1964 Plymouth.

Evan

[Dave Ficacci]

What did the new Stangs run at Palm Beach yesterday? Looked to be about 3 or 4 or them there.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on what Stock and Super Stock should or should not be, however, I'd hardly say the new cars will make the old ones obsolete. In the big picture there are very few Challengers and CJs, nowhere near enough to "ruin" an entire eliminator. Just ask John Shaul about winning with his "obsolete" 1964 Plymouth.

Evan

IF a new blown Mustang had been there and entered in Pomona and it didnt red light John Shaul would not have had a chance in a heads up run. John was fast but he was also very lucky that none showed up. The problem is the new cars (Fords and Dodge) have a soft HP factor and NHRA is buying the BS. It takes forever to get it right because of the ineffective AHFS and games people play on the track.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

IF a new blown Mustang had been there and entered in Pomona and it didn't red light John Shaul would not have had a chance in a heads up run. John was fast but he was also very lucky that none showed up. The problem is the new cars (Fords and Dodge) have a soft HP factor and NHRA is buying the BS. It takes forever to get it right because of the ineffective AHFS and games people play on the track.

Agreed. I have seen, with my own eyes, some of these new cars dialed more than 1.4 under at a combo race in bracket mode. And they're doing that with engines that have not even been "built" to "blueprinted stocker specs", and in fact have never even been opened up.

We're not talking about one or two cars (that have been thrashed on for twenty years) out of twenty like it/them in the country that could run 1.4 under once, and then not be able to do it after the HP hit, we're talking about a dozen or so cars out of twenty in the country that could not only run 1.4 under, but could do it at least once or twice more after the HP hit, and probably still not have to go into the engine to continue to run 1.2 under.

Anyone who thinks things like that are going to help Stock or Super Stock isn't thinking too clearly.

[Greg Hill]

Before the advent of these purpose built race cars with their purpose built crate motors stock eliminator has always been cars that could be bought at a dealer, liscensed and driven home. I don't care if it was an L-88 Corvette it was street legal. These cars are no more stock eliminator cars than a 37 chevy super gas car. A stroke of the pen changed all that. What's basically been the same for more than 40 years get's changed without input from racers or much if any thought to what the long term consequences are. If you all think taking 3 tenths off the indexes will hurt car counts, wait till these crate motor cars are in every class from AA to J. NHRA let's them in with bogus factors with no regard to us, their customers , who have been doing this for 30 years or more.

I truly think this will have a long term detrimental effect on stock and super stock.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Before the advent of these purpose built race cars with their purpose built crate motors stock eliminator has always been cars that could be bought at a dealer, liscensed and driven home. I don't care if it was an L-88 Corvette it was street legal. These cars are no more stock eliminator cars than a 37 chevy super gas car. A stroke of the pen changed all that. What's basically been the same for more than 40 years get's changed without input from racers or much if any thought to what the long term consequences are. If you all think taking 3 tenths off the indexes will hurt car counts, wait till these crate motor cars are in every class from AA to J. NHRA let's them in with bogus factors with no regard to us, their customers , who have been doing this for 30 years or more.

I truly think this will have a long term detrimental effect on stock and super stock.

I agree 1000%. They should ALL be Super stock cars and have the HP factors looked at ASAP without waiting 2 or 3 years or more for the AHFS to do it.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill;

wait till these crate motor cars are in every class from AA to J.

I truly think this will have a long term detrimental effect on stock and super stock.

I said EXACTLY the same thing almost a year ago Greg. They didn't hear me then and they won't hear you now! They won't care till one shows up in their neighborhood!

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Before the advent of these purpose built race cars with their purpose built crate motors stock eliminator has always been cars that could be bought at a dealer, liscensed and driven home. I don't care if it was an L-88 Corvette it was street legal.

The L-88 is not the best example. Chevrolet built those cars for the track and did their best to steer them in that direction.

These cars are no more stock eliminator cars than a 37 chevy super gas car.

That is absurd. These cars are what you get if you do away with all the stuff that the Feds have mandated over the last 40 years.

A stroke of the pen changed all that. What's basically been the same for more than 40 years get's changed without input from racers or much if any thought to what the long term consequences are. If you all think taking 3 tenths off the indexes will hurt car counts, wait till these crate motor cars are in every class from AA to J. NHRA let's them in with bogus factors with no regard to us, their customers , who have been doing this for 30 years or more.

The last time that I looked, a lot of the guys involved in these cars have been Class racing for quite some time.

[Bob Pagano]

Kevin and Evan, You cant say that about Shaul there were no CJs at that race for him to run. The out come would be who did not red light, we know what car would have won headsup. The old cars are only in the mix when no CJs show up and as good as the DeFrank car is he could not out run them either.

[Evan Smith]

Bob, I can say that. You proved my point: There were no CJs or Dodges because there are not that many of them racing, therefore, if they are not racing, how can they ruin the sport? You can say "what if" all you want, but the fact is that Shaul won in a '64 model year vehicle. National Dragster did not report that Shaul won because no CJs showed up. You speculate all you want, but the fact is that an old car won and they will continue to win.