Readjustment letter to NHRA

SS Engine Guy · 12-19-2009, 03:49 PM

Jeff, I appreciate what you are saying and you are probably right, however, I think it was a well written letter that addressed valid points and concerns of a member of an "association".

Well put Ron! Not telling the truth is part of why this economy is in the shape it is right now. Sometimes the best way is to call it like you see it.

Jim Wahl · 12-19-2009, 05:13 PM

Good job Ron! I would sign it. Jim

Jeff Lee · 12-19-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SS Engine Guy

Jeff, I appreciate what you are saying and you are probably right, however, I think it was a well written letter that addressed valid points and concerns of a member of an "association".

Well put Ron! Not telling the truth is part of why this economy is in the shape it is right now. Sometimes the best way is to call it like you see it.

I've never been accused of being subtle but there is a way to approach things to get things done, not just piss a guy off. It may be "well said" for some but it will not affect any of the changes the author and many others may want.

SS Engine Guy · 12-19-2009, 07:32 PM

If an observation by a member of an "association" pi$$es someone off enough that he disgards the letter then that person does not belong in a position to even be reading the letter. Unprofessional to say the least but that is the way this whole deal has been handled.

7820 · 12-19-2009, 08:36 PM

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar and that first sentence is a whole lot of vinegar. I agree with Jeff....lighten it up.

Jim Wahl · 12-19-2009, 09:19 PM

Seems to me the "honey" method has been tried for years. So, how's that "honey" thing workin out for ya? Jim

Ron Ortiz · 12-20-2009, 11:36 AM

This is in response to those that think that the opening statement might be a bit harsh.

Normally I would send a letter with wording that would be understandable to the reader, direct, but yet tactful in its presentation, and most of all in a professional manner.

The time that I have written to NHRA was concerning HP ratings for my car and a couple of other cars in U/SA. I presented them with charts, graphs, and data clearly showing the disparities between them. Never heard a word from them, and those combos went on to be #1 qualifiers at numerous events.

I have always treated NHRA and it employees with respect. I have performed youth clinics at area high schools before the Youth & Education Services was created. I have worked with that service in its initial stages. If you look back at all the bashing post against NHRA you will notice that I have not done so.

If you would like you can ask Wesley, Travis, anyone who knows me in tech, the safety people, announcers, or anybody else, I do not bash NHRA.

I remember when Jeff Tueton started a committee, I recall the recent SRAC, I have heard of groups that have presented NHRA with possible solutions and communications.

How many times have you heard about the head that was legal next to a slightly modified one and a tech guy was overruled. Or other questionable components. What about the times that someone has posted about "Glendora" or "Danny" showing some possible favoritism.

How about a manufacturer showcasing their newest "production" car with desirable components. Or their disclosure of HP ratings or available parts.

Then the individuals who make adjustments and horsepower determinations come up with a solution that just buffers the problem by lowering the indexes. And I realize that alot of people wanted it, but it did not resolve the problem.

So, after witnessing so many things, reading about all the injustices, hearing all the nonsense, I felt compelled to write to NHRA. Understand when I started typing, the words just flowed out, as it appeared to me that somehow they have been influenced by either corporations, friends, organizations, or people who can benefit their well being in unconventional ways. It was the only possible answer. So I addressed it as so.

Looking back, maybe I should have done it in a professional manner, but in reality, it was necessary. For those who took offense, I apologize. I just want our sport to succeed and and let the racers run their cars out within a level playing field.

I am sending this response to NHRA also.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA #2102

7820 · 12-20-2009, 01:32 PM

No offense taken....but you took the letter from a business letter and made it a personal attack. Porbably will not be received and reviewed with much enthusiasm.

12-19-2009, 07:32 PM	#4
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Readjustment letter to NHRA If an observation by a member of an "association" pi$$es someone off enough that he disgards the letter then that person does not belong in a position to even be reading the letter. Unprofessional to say the least but that is the way this whole deal has been handled. Last edited by SS Engine Guy; 12-19-2009 at 07:42 PM.

12-19-2009, 08:36 PM	#5
7820 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 201 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Readjustment letter to NHRA You catch more flies with honey than vinegar and that first sentence is a whole lot of vinegar. I agree with Jeff....lighten it up.

12-19-2009, 09:19 PM	#6
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,845 Likes: 672 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Readjustment letter to NHRA Seems to me the "honey" method has been tried for years. So, how's that "honey" thing workin out for ya? Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

12-20-2009, 11:36 AM	#7
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 990 Likes: 36 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Readjustment letter to NHRA This is in response to those that think that the opening statement might be a bit harsh. Normally I would send a letter with wording that would be understandable to the reader, direct, but yet tactful in its presentation, and most of all in a professional manner. The time that I have written to NHRA was concerning HP ratings for my car and a couple of other cars in U/SA. I presented them with charts, graphs, and data clearly showing the disparities between them. Never heard a word from them, and those combos went on to be #1 qualifiers at numerous events. I have always treated NHRA and it employees with respect. I have performed youth clinics at area high schools before the Youth & Education Services was created. I have worked with that service in its initial stages. If you look back at all the bashing post against NHRA you will notice that I have not done so. If you would like you can ask Wesley, Travis, anyone who knows me in tech, the safety people, announcers, or anybody else, I do not bash NHRA. I remember when Jeff Tueton started a committee, I recall the recent SRAC, I have heard of groups that have presented NHRA with possible solutions and communications. How many times have you heard about the head that was legal next to a slightly modified one and a tech guy was overruled. Or other questionable components. What about the times that someone has posted about "Glendora" or "Danny" showing some possible favoritism. How about a manufacturer showcasing their newest "production" car with desirable components. Or their disclosure of HP ratings or available parts. Then the individuals who make adjustments and horsepower determinations come up with a solution that just buffers the problem by lowering the indexes. And I realize that alot of people wanted it, but it did not resolve the problem. So, after witnessing so many things, reading about all the injustices, hearing all the nonsense, I felt compelled to write to NHRA. Understand when I started typing, the words just flowed out, as it appeared to me that somehow they have been influenced by either corporations, friends, organizations, or people who can benefit their well being in unconventional ways. It was the only possible answer. So I addressed it as so. Looking back, maybe I should have done it in a professional manner, but in reality, it was necessary. For those who took offense, I apologize. I just want our sport to succeed and and let the racers run their cars out within a level playing field. I am sending this response to NHRA also. Ron Ortiz U/SA #2102 __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK Last edited by Ron Ortiz; 12-20-2009 at 11:47 AM.

12-20-2009, 01:32 PM	#8
7820 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 201 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Readjustment letter to NHRA No offense taken....but you took the letter from a business letter and made it a personal attack. Porbably will not be received and reviewed with much enthusiasm.

12-19-2009, 03:49 PM	#1
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Readjustment letter to NHRA Jeff, I appreciate what you are saying and you are probably right, however, I think it was a well written letter that addressed valid points and concerns of a member of an "association". Well put Ron! Not telling the truth is part of why this economy is in the shape it is right now. Sometimes the best way is to call it like you see it.

12-19-2009, 05:13 PM	#2
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,845 Likes: 672 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Readjustment letter to NHRA Good job Ron! I would sign it. Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.