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[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by RJ

To address this part of your post - As I suggested before, why not make it easier on NHRA/IHRA stock tech? - the heads are already ported anyway, and the piston/pins are already light anyway. Why not whistle test for compression, P&G for cubic inches, and put an inspection cover on the pan to put a bore scope through to check the bottom end, seal em' and send 'em on their way?

Your racing against guys that have had their own blocks and manifolds cast, big bearing billet cams, relocated lifter bores, etc. Integrity in stock is looooooong gone.

All of that is EXACTLY why Stock has become so prohibitively expensive. So, your solution is to make all of that legal, that way we can move on to something else that we can make legal because NHRA doesn't want to look for it? And that is your plan to "save" Stock? Seriously? You cannot "save" Stock by making Stock into something else.

[Billy Nees]

Alan, I hate to say it but todays young racers don't want the structure or comitment involved in running Stock or SS. I help out a bunch of kids at the local track and they just don't understand why I waste the time messing with stock stuff when I can buy so much "shiney" stuff and go so much faster. I'm not saying that they WON'T get it eventually but I doubt it.

[Myron Piatek]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Alan, I hate to say it but todays young racers don't want the structure or comitment involved in running Stock or SS. I help out a bunch of kids at the local track and they just don't understand why I waste the time messing with stock stuff when I can buy so much "shiney" stuff and go so much faster. I'm not saying that they WON'T get it eventually but I doubt it.

It's todays society and their desire for "instant gratification".

[Alan Roehrich]

Myron, Billy, I agree with both of you. That is why I say the idea that the new cars are going to bring in newer younger Stock and Super Stock racers has zero basis in reality. New cars simply will not do it. And the way the new cars have been brought in to Stock and Super Stock will do far more to hasten the demise of the classes than they could ever do to "save" them.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Alan, I hate to say it but todays young racers don't want the structure or comitment involved in running Stock or SS. I help out a bunch of kids at the local track and they just don't understand why I waste the time messing with stock stuff when I can buy so much "shiney" stuff and go so much faster. I'm not saying that they WON'T get it eventually but I doubt it.

Billy, you are absolutely right. My best friend has an Outlaw Drag Radial mustang. He doesn't have the money to compete nationally but he'd got about 70k tied up in the car. It will run low 8's at well over 160. He doesn't understand class racing, and why we spend so much money to go "so slow" in his eyes. I could dig some 10.5 stuff, but only all motor with a stick shift, then it would be really fun.

[RJ]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

All of that is EXACTLY why Stock has become so prohibitively expensive. So, your solution is to make all of that legal, that way we can move on to something else that we can make legal because NHRA doesn't want to look for it? And that is your plan to "save" Stock? Seriously? You cannot "save" Stock by making Stock into something else.

What's your fix? - all that stuff and more is bogus anyway, I suggested what I did because the only way to stop it, is to let everyone have it.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by RJ

What's your fix? - all that stuff and more is bogus anyway, I suggested what I did because the only way to stop it, is to let everyone have it.

By that "logic", the only way to stop crimes is to allow everyone to commit them. Hardly a good idea.

NHRA is not going to "fix Stock, nor are they going to "save" Stock. Or Super Stock for that matter. If the classes are to be saved, it will be by the racers. Whether or not they want it bad enough remains to be seen. By what can be read here, the answer to that is "no".

[RJ]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

By that "logic", the only way to stop crimes is to allow everyone to commit them. Hardly a good idea.

No, that's comparing apples to oranges - a crime could bring harm or even worse death to an individual. I'm talking about engine parts here, we'll have to agree to disagree, because the bogus parts have gone too far, and you'll have a hard time convincing anyone to go back to the pre 1985 rulebook and have throw away all their "stock" parts and start over.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by RJ

No, that's comparing apples to oranges - a crime could bring harm or even worse death to an individual. I'm talking about engine parts here, we'll have to agree to disagree, because the bogus parts have gone too far, and you'll have a hard time convincing anyone to go back to the pre 1985 rulebook and have throw away all their "stock" parts and start over.

Not really. The bogus parts harm the sport. Your solution is to make them legal and let everyone buy them. That is precisely why Stock is where it is today. In the past, every time a new part has been slipped in illegally, rather than stop it, NHRA has allowed it. Well, where has that gotten us?

Further, your "solution" is to make Stock even worse than it already is. And you call that "saving" Stock? How? If you make Stock even less Stock, how does that "save" Stock? It doesn't, it makes Stock into something else entirely.

[RJ]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Not really. The bogus parts harm the sport. Your solution is to make them legal and let everyone buy them. That is precisely why Stock is where it is today. In the past, every time a new part has been slipped in illegally, rather than stop it, NHRA has allowed it. Well, where has that gotten us?

Further, your "solution" is to make Stock even worse than it already is. And you call that "saving" Stock? How? If you make Stock even less Stock, how does that "save" Stock? It doesn't, it makes Stock into something else entirely.

The bogus stuff is already in motors, and it ain't coming out. What I suggested makes it a lot easier to tech, and the associations won't consider stock as much of a "thorn in the side". Unless you can get a majority of stock racers to "turn back the clock", a whole new association with real "stock" rules is the only way to do what you want to do.

To switch gears a little bit, but somewhat related - Clutchless transmissions are allowed in Super Stock now, why do you think that is?, and if you know, how are you going to fight something like that?