Think about this.........

Larry Hill · 12-20-2009, 06:00 PM

What is going to happen when Biondo, DeFrank, Fletcher, and the rest get pummeled by the Ford CJ,and the DP Challenger in semi finals in a heads up run.
1. If these pros or anyone else with a carburetor runs against these cars they will lose.
2. The pros won't make any money.
3. Most if not all of of the the above will be on Social Security before the AHFS will get the correct factor on these "Factory Race Cars"

Alan Roehrich · 12-20-2009, 06:08 PM

No, I don't think bracket racing is the cause of the decline of Stock and Super Stock. Poor control of the classes by NHRA, and failure to promote them is the cause. That and a change in society, especially the younger segment. I don't think it is correct or fair to place the blame on bracket racing.

7423 · 12-20-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

No, I don't think bracket racing is the cause of the decline of Stock and Super Stock. Poor control of the classes by NHRA, and failure to promote them is the cause. That and a change in society, especially the younger segment. I don't think it is correct or fair to place the blame on bracket racing.

That is the gospel, absolutely true, well said Alan!!

Tim H · 12-27-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

No, I don't think bracket racing is the cause of the decline of Stock and Super Stock. Poor control of the classes by NHRA, and failure to promote them is the cause. That and a change in society, especially the younger segment. I don't think it is correct or fair to place the blame on bracket racing.

I agree 100 %

JMatt · 12-27-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim H

I agree 100 %

Gentlemen's agreements to race to the 1,000 ft mark and lift to save the precious index don't help much either. It's like saying "I won't cheat against you, but the two of us can keep cheating against the other 130 racers." Nevermind it doesn't make for good races for the fans.

Billy Nees · 12-27-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Indyracer

Gentlemen's agreements to race to the 1,000 ft mark and lift to save the precious index don't help much either. It's like saying "I won't cheat against you, but the two of us can keep cheating against the other 130 racers." Nevermind it doesn't make for good races for the fans.

This just reminded me of a funny (and true!) story! I was at my local track running S/P before delay boxes were legal in Div.1 and I had to race a guy that had a box in his car. I went over to the head Techman and told him that "this guy had a box in his car"! He told me that he knew about it and the guy promised that he wouldn't use it. Well this Techman has a couple of very pretty young daughters so I said to him "put me in a closet with your daughters and I promise I won't touch them"! The Techman made the guy take the box out before he ran me.
I guess that I made my point.

442OLDS · 12-20-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

What is going to happen when Biondo, DeFrank, Fletcher, and the rest get pummeled by the Ford CJ,and the DP Challenger in semi finals in a heads up run.

Maybe they will get hired by Ford or Mopar to be hired guns to drive the new models.Then the factories will be assured of seeing their new vehicles in the winner's circle?

Just a thought......

P.S.

Bracket racing format is what has made SS/S as popular as it is.If it was all heads up,participation would drop by a HUGE amount!

Evan Smith · 12-20-2009, 06:44 PM

I love working on my car, as most do, and I love the heads-up portion of Stock and SS. Here is an observation: I woud guess that 99 percent of the talk on this site is about performance, rules and the competitiveness of different combinations, however, 95 percent of the racing we do is bracket racing.

For all the talk about the CJ, Challengers and other so-called out-of-line combos, how many people have lost a heads-up race to one of these cars? I bet the number is very few and the percentage is very low.

On the topic of value, we race beacuse we love racing and many of us have an emotional attachment to the cars we race. I doubt any car has been devalued by any other combination. I don't think there is a line of people waiting to buy fast Stocker, just becaue they "own" a class. And if that is your motivation, go build a car that is a winner out of the gate. It is done in NASCAR and other forms of motorsports.

SS Engine Guy · 12-20-2009, 06:56 PM

No car has been devalued by another combination. Only the obviously low hp factors ASSigned to other combinations.

randy wilson · 12-20-2009, 07:06 PM

dial in racing has hurt drag racing whether we like to admit it or not. that and the cost. i remember when only class winners were allowed to run in eliminations with no breakout and there were more cars in a single class than there is at some div. now.some people went to several nats. without a chance to race sunday, but it was exciting. now, you have to bring a crowd with you just to have someone to show off to.

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Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,124 Likes: 1,581 Liked 1,878 Times in 422 Posts	Re: Think about this......... No, I don't think bracket racing is the cause of the decline of Stock and Super Stock. Poor control of the classes by NHRA, and failure to promote them is the cause. That and a change in society, especially the younger segment. I don't think it is correct or fair to place the blame on bracket racing. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

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Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Think about this......... I love working on my car, as most do, and I love the heads-up portion of Stock and SS. Here is an observation: I woud guess that 99 percent of the talk on this site is about performance, rules and the competitiveness of different combinations, however, 95 percent of the racing we do is bracket racing. For all the talk about the CJ, Challengers and other so-called out-of-line combos, how many people have lost a heads-up race to one of these cars? I bet the number is very few and the percentage is very low. On the topic of value, we race beacuse we love racing and many of us have an emotional attachment to the cars we race. I doubt any car has been devalued by any other combination. I don't think there is a line of people waiting to buy fast Stocker, just becaue they "own" a class. And if that is your motivation, go build a car that is a winner out of the gate. It is done in NASCAR and other forms of motorsports. __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK

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SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Think about this......... No car has been devalued by another combination. Only the obviously low hp factors ASSigned to other combinations.

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randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Think about this......... dial in racing has hurt drag racing whether we like to admit it or not. that and the cost. i remember when only class winners were allowed to run in eliminations with no breakout and there were more cars in a single class than there is at some div. now.some people went to several nats. without a chance to race sunday, but it was exciting. now, you have to bring a crowd with you just to have someone to show off to. __________________ don,t have one