Think about this.........

Larry Hill · 12-20-2009, 09:14 PM

Sorry Dale

Alan Roehrich · 12-20-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

Sorry Dale

Damn it Larry, you're always starting trouble. And now you got me in it.

Dale Shannon · 12-20-2009, 09:54 PM

So how do you educate young racers about S/SS? If you have never been around S/SS it is very hard to understand, hell I've been around it for 40yrs maybe a few more and still don't get it sometimes. Are there any Stats for the avg. age of the diffent eliminators? (Joe)
Dale

CaptCobrajet · 12-20-2009, 09:58 PM

We are not ALL old guys!! I'm only 40. I actually think there are more younger guys out there now than when I was 30. I see grandkids of guys that raced back in the day out there now. I think the new cars will help generate interest in Stock and Super Stock. On the subject of the new cars, and being a Ford guy, the blown cars should be in their own class just like the AH cars. The natural aspirated cars will eventually get factored into the right classes at the right weights. Until then, we should work on our junk and race those guys as smart as we can. Maybe the guy in the new ride shouldn't know how much we have left until it is too late!

Blair Patrick
2425 SS/FA

Mike Delahanty · 12-20-2009, 10:27 PM

I got hooked on Stock and S/S in the late 60's and early 70's when I was in my teens. At that time it was a big deal to run a Stocker or Super Stocker - it was something to aspire to. These eliminators along w/ Modified and Comp got top billing at the tracks. But it's been almost 30 years since Stock and S/S were run on a weekly basis by any tracks. So it's no surprise that racers that came into the sport in the last 30 years didn't get hooked like I did. Most racers 35 or younger don't understand the "crazy" class car rules that seem so clear to us. These guys grew up on bracket racing and see an odd-ball "class car" once in a while bracket racing.

Solution? Chime in

In the meantime the regional Stock/Super Stock Associations help by showcasing the class cars at more tracks and in the presence of the bracket racers. And they keep us racing.

And - Evan - well said.

Ryan Horensky · 12-20-2009, 10:40 PM

When I was about 13 years old, Dale was getting ready for super stock class and a bunch of us were standing around. Dale rolled down the window of the super stocker and said " I'm going on up to liquor store...ya'll want anything". Then drove up to the lanes for class. I still laugh about that and I just turned 29. You need to get yourself a car again, Dale. Dad says hello!

Ryan Horensky

Schmidt A103 · 12-20-2009, 10:48 PM

There has always been a challenge for S/SS to attract new racers.Maybe more of the problem is the availabilty of such good aftermarket parts has shifted the idea of entry level and low budget away from a class that requires you to run the parts your car came with and toward classes that allow you to simply buy superior parts.You can spend well over 30 grand building even a modestly prepared 12 second class car,but you can run 10's in a street car for $20 grand or less.Fewer racers are taking interest in what it takes to actually build a fast car and more are interested in just getting their hands on something fast so they can get out there and drive.If the E.T and 90 classes disappeared tommorrow,the racers who run them would simply reorginize into a seperate venue.Big payout E.T. races have been attracting 90 class drivers away from divisional races for years,and NHRA or IHRA has no way to control that.Even racers who really want to explore the science of going fast are migrating toward fastest street car type racing.Why spend 100 grand on an 8 second SS car when for 60 or 70 grand you can be running 7's in an outlaw 10.5 or drag radial car?No sourcing for hard to find parts,or kissing up to the engine builder with the best program for your car,just pick a class and buy your bullet out of a book.

NHRA doesnt seem to do much of what the racers want anyhow.Since the no deep stage rule which basically made every slower class stocker seem like nobody cared about them to the current fiasco with late model factory race cars bombing the classes where racers with $100K cars cant even stand a chance in their own class.S/SS racers run class because they love doing it,but there is nothing any sanctioning body can do that will make E.T. racers change their opinion of it.

Dago Red · 12-20-2009, 10:56 PM

I'm like Mike, I have been a lifelong fan of Stock and Super Stock since I started as a pit rat in SE Pennsylvania in the early seventies. To me bracket racing and class racing are apples and oranges. Who can squeeze the the most out of a combination within the narrow confines of the rules is class racing. Who can cram the largest amount of pneumatic and electronic crap into a race car is bracket racing. I'll be a footbraker till I die. Ever listen to some of these bracket guys? "Bumped down", "crossed over", "rolled in/out three..." They sound like they're trying to get the Shuttle programmed for reentry.

NHRA is not going to help you, except to continue to take your money. At least three times I've missed Stock or Super Stock because NHRA needed to accomodate the TV people, rescheduled and couldn't care less if spectators knew about it. You're gonna be replaced with Pro Mods, wheelie cars, nitro Harleys, jet cars, frisbee chasing dogs, and some kook on a motorcycle trying to bust his butt. They won't have to pay all those folks who track points, qualifying, teardown, tech, payout, parking etc. Why do you think they keep chipping sportsman eliminators out of national events?????????????

Now somebody help off this soapbox....(bad knees..)

Dale Shannon · 12-20-2009, 11:15 PM

Mike,103 and dago I think were on the same page just so many don't understand the big change that is so near.

Ryan, hello and tell you dad I sad hello and I will call him sometime soon.

THE LEGEND · 12-20-2009, 11:25 PM

Any of you guys been to a bracket race lately? Bracket racing is going down the same path. The Test and Tuners, Heads up racers, the Pinks crowd, the ADRL's and the like are whats really taking over.

I agree with Larry on his first post. I also think that cost has a lot to do with it. Face it guys
S/SS racing ain't cheap and unless you or someone in your family is an old "GEARHEAD" you are probly going to do something different.
Chip

12-20-2009, 09:14 PM	#1
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12-20-2009, 09:54 PM	#3
Dale Shannon Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver NC Posts: 74 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Think about this......... So how do you educate young racers about S/SS? If you have never been around S/SS it is very hard to understand, hell I've been around it for 40yrs maybe a few more and still don't get it sometimes. Are there any Stats for the avg. age of the diffent eliminators? (Joe) Dale

12-20-2009, 09:58 PM	#4
CaptCobrajet Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Marion County Posts: 44 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Think about this......... We are not ALL old guys!! I'm only 40. I actually think there are more younger guys out there now than when I was 30. I see grandkids of guys that raced back in the day out there now. I think the new cars will help generate interest in Stock and Super Stock. On the subject of the new cars, and being a Ford guy, the blown cars should be in their own class just like the AH cars. The natural aspirated cars will eventually get factored into the right classes at the right weights. Until then, we should work on our junk and race those guys as smart as we can. Maybe the guy in the new ride shouldn't know how much we have left until it is too late! Blair Patrick 2425 SS/FA

12-20-2009, 10:27 PM	#5
Mike Delahanty VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,201 Likes: 0 Liked 276 Times in 54 Posts	Re: Think about this......... I got hooked on Stock and S/S in the late 60's and early 70's when I was in my teens. At that time it was a big deal to run a Stocker or Super Stocker - it was something to aspire to. These eliminators along w/ Modified and Comp got top billing at the tracks. But it's been almost 30 years since Stock and S/S were run on a weekly basis by any tracks. So it's no surprise that racers that came into the sport in the last 30 years didn't get hooked like I did. Most racers 35 or younger don't understand the "crazy" class car rules that seem so clear to us. These guys grew up on bracket racing and see an odd-ball "class car" once in a while bracket racing. Solution? Chime in In the meantime the regional Stock/Super Stock Associations help by showcasing the class cars at more tracks and in the presence of the bracket racers. And they keep us racing. And - Evan - well said.

12-20-2009, 10:40 PM	#6
Ryan Horensky Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sugarloaf,PA Posts: 201 Likes: 19 Liked 109 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Think about this......... When I was about 13 years old, Dale was getting ready for super stock class and a bunch of us were standing around. Dale rolled down the window of the super stocker and said " I'm going on up to liquor store...ya'll want anything". Then drove up to the lanes for class. I still laugh about that and I just turned 29. You need to get yourself a car again, Dale. Dad says hello! Ryan Horensky

12-20-2009, 10:48 PM	#7
Schmidt A103 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 14 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Think about this......... There has always been a challenge for S/SS to attract new racers.Maybe more of the problem is the availabilty of such good aftermarket parts has shifted the idea of entry level and low budget away from a class that requires you to run the parts your car came with and toward classes that allow you to simply buy superior parts.You can spend well over 30 grand building even a modestly prepared 12 second class car,but you can run 10's in a street car for $20 grand or less.Fewer racers are taking interest in what it takes to actually build a fast car and more are interested in just getting their hands on something fast so they can get out there and drive.If the E.T and 90 classes disappeared tommorrow,the racers who run them would simply reorginize into a seperate venue.Big payout E.T. races have been attracting 90 class drivers away from divisional races for years,and NHRA or IHRA has no way to control that.Even racers who really want to explore the science of going fast are migrating toward fastest street car type racing.Why spend 100 grand on an 8 second SS car when for 60 or 70 grand you can be running 7's in an outlaw 10.5 or drag radial car?No sourcing for hard to find parts,or kissing up to the engine builder with the best program for your car,just pick a class and buy your bullet out of a book. NHRA doesnt seem to do much of what the racers want anyhow.Since the no deep stage rule which basically made every slower class stocker seem like nobody cared about them to the current fiasco with late model factory race cars bombing the classes where racers with $100K cars cant even stand a chance in their own class.S/SS racers run class because they love doing it,but there is nothing any sanctioning body can do that will make E.T. racers change their opinion of it.

12-20-2009, 10:56 PM	#8
Dago Red Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Fort Worth TX Posts: 51 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Think about this......... I'm like Mike, I have been a lifelong fan of Stock and Super Stock since I started as a pit rat in SE Pennsylvania in the early seventies. To me bracket racing and class racing are apples and oranges. Who can squeeze the the most out of a combination within the narrow confines of the rules is class racing. Who can cram the largest amount of pneumatic and electronic crap into a race car is bracket racing. I'll be a footbraker till I die. Ever listen to some of these bracket guys? "Bumped down", "crossed over", "rolled in/out three..." They sound like they're trying to get the Shuttle programmed for reentry. NHRA is not going to help you, except to continue to take your money. At least three times I've missed Stock or Super Stock because NHRA needed to accomodate the TV people, rescheduled and couldn't care less if spectators knew about it. You're gonna be replaced with Pro Mods, wheelie cars, nitro Harleys, jet cars, frisbee chasing dogs, and some kook on a motorcycle trying to bust his butt. They won't have to pay all those folks who track points, qualifying, teardown, tech, payout, parking etc. Why do you think they keep chipping sportsman eliminators out of national events????????????? Now somebody help off this soapbox....(bad knees..)

12-20-2009, 11:15 PM	#9
Dale Shannon Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver NC Posts: 74 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Think about this......... Mike,103 and dago I think were on the same page just so many don't understand the big change that is so near. Ryan, hello and tell you dad I sad hello and I will call him sometime soon.

12-20-2009, 11:25 PM	#10
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Think about this......... Any of you guys been to a bracket race lately? Bracket racing is going down the same path. The Test and Tuners, Heads up racers, the Pinks crowd, the ADRL's and the like are whats really taking over. I agree with Larry on his first post. I also think that cost has a lot to do with it. Face it guys S/SS racing ain't cheap and unless you or someone in your family is an old "GEARHEAD" you are probly going to do something different. Chip