Fat arse stock car drivers

[bill dedman]

Well, the bottom line was (for the cars that were pounds-per-cu.-in.), the fat guys (like me) finally got a fair shake.... It helped the guys with Stockrs and S/S cars, too....

SOME changes are good....

[69Cobra]

So if a car has to weigh 3200 + 170 for a driver then the race weight is 3370 right? So if a driver weighs 300 the race weight is still 3370?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

The ACTUAL weight would be 3500...... against a 170lb driver in same combo, he would be 3370

Thats what Im saying, it dosent seem right , and especially when its not even the US national average, in 1974 , it probably was that was 35 YEARS Ago ...... average height was lower too.

At least adjust it, I would think after 30+ years of adaptive growth that would be reasonable.

So the next question is what is the approptiate (or most effective) petition method to see it put before the rules comitte ? Gotta be one....

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

So if a car has to weigh 3200 + 170 for a driver then the race weight is 3370 right? So if a driver weighs 300 the race weight is still 3370?

[69Cobra]

Why would it not be car+170 = race weight no matter what?

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

Why would it not be car+170 = race weight no matter what?

It is the 300 pound guy just needs to find a place to get the weight out of the car. The weight of the car at the scale would be the same 3370 no matter what.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Uhhhhhhh, but the weight of the car with the 300lb driver in it going down the track is still 3500, while the car with the 170lb driver is still at 3370.

Correct ? How is getting weight out of the car (other than himself) going to do it ? If the combo has to weigh 3370 with the 170 driver weight included....it has to weigh 3370 with the 170 added for the driver, if I pull 130 out I dont make minimum weight.

Is this correct or is my understanding lacking and hence this whole thread a waste of bytes ?

Originally Posted by novassdude

It is the 300 pound guy just needs to find a place to get the weight out of the car. The weight of the car at the scale would be the same 3370 no matter what.

[Mike Carr]

Drooze, using this example, if you and I both have an '09 Drag Pack Challenger. Miniumum weight for A/SA is 3,290, with driver (8 x 390 + 170). I weight approximately 260. So, my car, without me, would weigh 3,030. Lets say you weigh 160. Your car, without driver, can weigh 3,130. We still both meet the minumum A/SA weight for a DP of 3,290 pounds. Your car, by itself, would be lighter than mine, by itself, by a hundred pounds.

That's why George Bryce and Angelle whatever-her-last-name-was-at-the-time were so successful in Pro Stock Bike. Minimum weight, with rider, was 600 pounds. Since she was so light, they had to add ballast to meet the 600, and could add the ballast where and how they wanted, to make the bike work the best.

[69Cobra]

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

Why would it not be car+170 = race weight no matter what?

So this is correct then?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Twould appear 100% correct.....hence I was 100% wrong

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

So this is correct then?

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

So this is correct then?

Yes, 170 is added. Factory shipping weight/NHRA or factory HP = the weight break for the car, used to determine it's natural class. Using my 2009 DragPack Challenger example from earlier. 3,100 pound shipping weight, divided by NHRA rating of 390 = 7.95. Making it a natural AA/S car (AA = cars with weight/HP of 7.50-7.99). You can adjust weight to a car to 1) move to the top of it's natural class 2) add weight to drop one class from it's natural class 3) remove weight to move up one class from the natural class. To get to the top of AA/SA with a Challenger, 7.5 x 390 + 170 (driver weight) = 3,095 minimum weight, with driver, across the scales as a AA/SA.