Just an idea to combine classes. - Page 2

Bob Don · 01-04-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I've been reading some recent post about Top Stock and got started thinking (usually bad thing). Maybe it's time to "shake the cage" a bit and think about going to 2 pound class breaks. Leave AA alone at the top and go to 8.00 to 9.99, 10.00 to 11.99 etc. Keep sticks and autos seperate. Also, no class adjustments up or down just top of natural class.
That should make things interesting! I know it would hurt everything I own but WTF.

Billy - If you're gong to do that, then class should be contested at every event (even divisionals and opens) and ONLY class winners can run the eliminator!

Billy Nees · 01-04-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Don

Billy - If you're gong to do that, then class should be contested at every event (even divisionals and opens) and ONLY class winners can run the eliminator!

I don't ever see that happening.

Chris1529 · 01-04-2010, 12:32 PM

sounds like a good idea. I'll put one of the new 428" small block crate motors in my car.

Dick Butler · 01-04-2010, 01:52 PM

Billy, Good Thoughts. I agree with X-Tech When I discussed this type of thing it was threatening. But it could be best for all parties in the long run. NHRA needs to make it worth while to run fast. Points for class wins, Points for Records, that affect a HP of a combination then pushing it to Win class would be some gain.
Sticks + Auto , GT and SS together with wt break for SS car against GT chassis 50 lb light?
With having more class racing more often possible by having more of a certain class at events NHRA could have class which would be meaningful not Bye Runs for trophy taking a 1/2 day of event time.
I honestly think some Manufacturers could be coaxed to pay class more often if there were only 1/2 the classes to pay or fewer..
For those slower in a class there is still eliminator if you run Quick enough to Qualify so you only have More runs at the meet with class to run too.

art leong · 01-04-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I absolutely DISagree with that! Keep things as diverse as possible.

Billy As you can plainly see there is no way of changing this without severly hurting someone.
Why do some people think if the number of classes are cut that payout will go up?

PS I have a bridge for sale. Only Slightly Used.

JRyan · 01-04-2010, 07:51 PM

Dick,

MOST racers could give less than a S**T if they get points for anything. In case you hadn't noticed, there aren't a whole lot of people contending for points Nationally or at the Division level. Billy posted a reasonable thought that may be a little off to some, but then you went ahead in your usual way and made a complete cluster out of it.

Let's not combine Sticks & Autos. There are lots of classes where because of low counts in the class, the STICK guys have never found it necessary to buy THE GOOD STUFF to go fast. If they do, you'll see the STICK advantage show up in many more classes. Remember, there are some high HP Stick cars now running radials, so there goes that perceived advantage for the autos.

It ain't broke folks. If you want to hurry the demise of Stock/SS to the point that only the elite can play, go ahead and combine a bunch of classes. When you reach the point where only a few feel it is worth it to play, you'll have completed the demise of the whole class system. NHRA will just say GOODBYE!

Dick Butler · 01-04-2010, 08:47 PM

JRyan,
It is interesting someone always comes up with a point of fear that no one will be able to play if the classes were combined, no one would come to race, No new racers would build cars.
You and others act as if Combining classes is an Alternative to Eliminations. If you fall in a class with 10 cars tomorrow intead of 2 cars today , no one says you are not elgible for eliminations if you qualify JUST LIKE TODAY. But NHRA has a car count showing up at meets with greater numbers of same class to make the "show".(Fewer BYE run classes)
Making Class racing a bigger part of the racing can just give more fun as TOP/STK, TOP/SS do. Most who ran this declare it to be " the most fun I have had in years"
It is Just combined classes and stick and Auto HEADS up. An example of Combined classes for more "racing"
My opinion from Being in Bigger classes all my life and organizing TOP/STK and TOP/SS in Div 3 . It may return when larger numbers of cars to fit are available.

art leong · 01-04-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

JRyan,
It is interesting someone always comes up with a point of fear that no one will be able to play if the classes were combined, no one would come to race, No new racers would build cars.
You and others act as if Combining classes is an Alternative to Eliminations. If you fall in a class with 10 cars tomorrow intead of 2 cars today , no one says you are not elgible for eliminations if you qualify JUST LIKE TODAY. But NHRA has a car count showing up at meets with greater numbers of same class to make the "show".(Fewer BYE run classes)
Making Class racing a bigger part of the racing can just give more fun as TOP/STK, TOP/SS do. Most who ran this declare it to be " the most fun I have had in years"
It is Just combined classes and stick and Auto HEADS up. An example of Combined classes for more "racing"
My opinion from Being in Bigger classes all my life and organizing TOP/STK and TOP/SS in Div 3 . It may return when larger numbers of cars to fit are available.

Dick how are your car counts lately?
How do you think they will be when the Cobra Jets and the Challengers take over?

442OLDS · 01-04-2010, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I've been reading some recent post about Top Stock and got started thinking (usually bad thing). Maybe it's time to "shake the cage" a bit and think about going to 2 pound class breaks. Leave AA alone at the top and go to 8.00 to 9.99, 10.00 to 11.99 etc. Keep sticks and autos seperate. Also, no class adjustments up or down just top of natural class.
That should make things interesting! I know it would hurt everything I own but WTF.

That should make for some exciting and close Heads Up races that the fans would go wild over!

Bobby Fazio · 01-04-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

I think that the first step should be to combine sticks and autos.

If this happened their wouldn't be one stick car at the racetrack.

01-04-2010, 12:32 PM	#13
Chris1529 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,366 Likes: 6 Liked 70 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Just an idea to combine classes. sounds like a good idea. I'll put one of the new 428" small block crate motors in my car. __________________ Chris Bowman The Mountain State Mustang 1984 Mustang GT350

01-04-2010, 01:52 PM	#14
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Just an idea to combine classes. Billy, Good Thoughts. I agree with X-Tech When I discussed this type of thing it was threatening. But it could be best for all parties in the long run. NHRA needs to make it worth while to run fast. Points for class wins, Points for Records, that affect a HP of a combination then pushing it to Win class would be some gain. Sticks + Auto , GT and SS together with wt break for SS car against GT chassis 50 lb light? With having more class racing more often possible by having more of a certain class at events NHRA could have class which would be meaningful not Bye Runs for trophy taking a 1/2 day of event time. I honestly think some Manufacturers could be coaxed to pay class more often if there were only 1/2 the classes to pay or fewer.. For those slower in a class there is still eliminator if you run Quick enough to Qualify so you only have More runs at the meet with class to run too.

01-04-2010, 07:51 PM	#16
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 645 Likes: 30 Liked 112 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Just an idea to combine classes. Dick, MOST racers could give less than a S**T if they get points for anything. In case you hadn't noticed, there aren't a whole lot of people contending for points Nationally or at the Division level. Billy posted a reasonable thought that may be a little off to some, but then you went ahead in your usual way and made a complete cluster out of it. Let's not combine Sticks & Autos. There are lots of classes where because of low counts in the class, the STICK guys have never found it necessary to buy THE GOOD STUFF to go fast. If they do, you'll see the STICK advantage show up in many more classes. Remember, there are some high HP Stick cars now running radials, so there goes that perceived advantage for the autos. It ain't broke folks. If you want to hurry the demise of Stock/SS to the point that only the elite can play, go ahead and combine a bunch of classes. When you reach the point where only a few feel it is worth it to play, you'll have completed the demise of the whole class system. NHRA will just say GOODBYE!

01-04-2010, 08:47 PM	#17
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Just an idea to combine classes. JRyan, It is interesting someone always comes up with a point of fear that no one will be able to play if the classes were combined, no one would come to race, No new racers would build cars. You and others act as if Combining classes is an Alternative to Eliminations. If you fall in a class with 10 cars tomorrow intead of 2 cars today , no one says you are not elgible for eliminations if you qualify JUST LIKE TODAY. But NHRA has a car count showing up at meets with greater numbers of same class to make the "show".(Fewer BYE run classes) Making Class racing a bigger part of the racing can just give more fun as TOP/STK, TOP/SS do. Most who ran this declare it to be " the most fun I have had in years" It is Just combined classes and stick and Auto HEADS up. An example of Combined classes for more "racing" My opinion from Being in Bigger classes all my life and organizing TOP/STK and TOP/SS in Div 3 . It may return when larger numbers of cars to fit are available.