Changing the indexes worked

[SS Engine Guy]

Very good points on most of the posts on this thread. I need to clarify my statement that I could care less what the index is. That is really not what I meant to convey after re-reading my post. I would really rather run heads up, first to the finish line, may the best driver/most power win. That is where the index comment came from. I find that interesting/challenging and exciting with-in an EXISTING SET OF RULES to see who can be fast or faster.The rulebook we don't get (unless we pay more money) is not even a good guide line in terms of what can be done performance wise. It has become the norm to find illegal components and/or modifications and just change the rule to allow them. I will agree that with the now allowed modifications the indexes are soft in some cases, both stock and SS. However, I know that there are a bunch of factors that are so soft that you don't even need the basic "good stuff" in order to run a second under much less the reshaped chambers, light weight cranks, trick of the week intakes, etc. I can't help it if by correcting the hp figures causes a car to weigh 4000 or more lbs. I guess a correctly factored combo that has to weigh too much must not be a very good combo in the real world. Not everything that comes out of the "oem" has to be a viable drag racing combo.

I regret that stock and SS racing has become so expensive and uncontrolled. I still, on the other hand, admire the guy who can go .02 under and do a vast majority of the work themselves. What has to stop,in order for things to slow down,is the constant changing of the rules. What we need is to enforce the rules (and make them well known to all). What we also need is across the board factoring corrections. Its not difficult. It will hurt some egos here and there however, you can't blame a racer for picking a combo that is factored more favorably than another. Problem is that there shouldn't be no more than a +/- 5hp margin of error on anything. As people state, this is 2010, getting factors close dosen't need some elaborate calculation that no one, including the people that started it, can explain. The bell curve that Lynn has expained would work. But you don't even need that. Its called common sense. If the factors were in line there would have been no index change. All changing the index did was make it harder to bring combos into line and obscure the obvious.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

May have been better to leave the Stock indexes alone, since that is the closest division to being "entry level". It's not, of course, but is where most people start out. I can't imagine anybody thinking the SS indexes were not too soft.

Michael, like it or not NHRA is likely to be around long after IHRA is gone. I like running both, but NHRA has the well known pros which actually puts people in the stands and pays the bills.

Ed,

Do you think the Super stock indexes across the board were really too soft or many of the HP factors were too low allowing cars to run way under that class index?

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Bobby DiDomenico

Ed,

Do you think the Super stock indexes across the board were really too soft or many of the HP factors were too low allowing cars to run way under that class index?

Bobby, I have no doubt many engines are factored too soft, mine included. The fact that stockers can come over and run well under the SS index is what makes me think they are too soft.

[Stewart Way]

Either Bruce was wrong at Pomona or Drag Central is wrong, but looks like you still have to go .5 under to win class on a bye run. At least thats the listed results from Vegas. A few more Wallys saved.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bobby, I have no doubt many engines are factored too soft, mine included. The fact that stockers can come over and run well under the SS index is what makes me think they are too soft.

Maybe thats because the stockers that run S/S are really Super Stockers in disguise...lol.

[Ernie Neal]

Originally Posted by Sean Ward

you guys kill me we have 2 cars a Q and T car with new fresh motors they will run under the indexes no problem but who cares i could care care less about how far under i go and if you can just run the index who cares unless u have a heads up if u cut a light and run the number u can go rounds hell u can even win do ya'll forget we all dial in it's not heads up unless u run some one in your class slow cars can win

UNLESS THE FIELD IS FULL!! I guess if you excluded Indy, maybe Gators, it could be true. Don't forget qualified field.
Ernie

[Dan Bennett]

Originally Posted by Stewart Way

Either Bruce was wrong at Pomona or Drag Central is wrong, but looks like you still have to go .5 under to win class on a bye run. At least thats the listed results from Vegas. A few more Wallys saved.

Regrettably, DRC was wrong. According to the staff working Phoenix, the new standard is that you have to run at least as quick as your index to get a class win on a single.

Sorry for the confusion, but sometimes the communications break down and not everybody gets the word. We went and asked, and were told what I typed above.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Dan Bennett

Regrettably, DRC was wrong. According to the staff working Phoenix, the new standard is that you have to run at least as quick as your index to get a class win on a single.

Sorry for the confusion, but sometimes the communications break down and not everybody gets the word. We went and asked, and were told what I typed above.

I can see the confusion for sure.Easy mistake to make.

Now making sure that I understand this correctly.....

You used to have to run at least .50 under on a single to get a class win.
Now,you get a class win if you run the index.(which is 3 tenths FASTER)
So now,you can qualify at Indy on a class single by running 2 tenths SLOWER than last year?

[BAS Racing]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

I can see the confusion for sure.Easy mistake to make.

Now making sure that I understand this correctly.....

You used to have to run at least .50 under on a single to get a class win.
Now,you get a class win if you run the index.(which is 3 tenths FASTER)
So now,you can qualify at Indy on a class single by running 2 tenths SLOWER than last year?

The field is made up of the 128 highest qualified cars now. Class winners are not automatically put in the field anymore.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by BAS Racing

The field is made up of the 128 highest qualified cars now. Class winners are not automatically put in the field anymore.

Since class winners are not automatically put in the field anymore,(as I was aware),I never understood how a single in a particular class could be disqualified for going to slow,whether it be .50 under or even the current index.