Drooze

[W J]

Fact of the matter is the word's out that Drooze is not the only DP racer experiencing coming apart issues w/these 6.1 motors.... WJ

[boostedf22c]

Originally Posted by W J

Fact of the matter is the word's out that Drooze is not the only DP racer experiencing coming apart issues w/these 6.1 motors.... WJ

So what does that mean? There are plenty that aren't having engine problems as well?

Tuning???

[W J]

I don't know, but it could end up being poor quality rods, or pistons if I were to guess, but we'll see what happens at Gainesville....there should be some DP's there.....Irv Johns seems to have the strongest one so far, but only he knows how high he's spinning it....See if Irv, Gartlits and Jeggie and maybe 1 or 2 more show up at the Gators....see how fast they go down there....Neat cars....but NEW, and new almost always means there are gremlins to deal with....my opinion only.....WJ

[boostedf22c]

Drooze, are you looking at the data logs after every run?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by boostedf22c

Drooze, are you looking at the data logs after every run?

Nope, Im letting them all accumlate, then I figure I will print them out wallpaper my trailer with them and get a Ouiji board to divine the location of Elvis Presley.

Sorry couldnt resist, we are reviewing what we get yes....

What logs are going to tell me about Oiling issues I have no idea, but yes.

On the Oil side were running what supposed to be the best windage avaiable and a 3 quart (3 full quart) accumulator......

Noting more will be known until I get it home and tear it down.

[boostedf22c]

Originally Posted by drooze

Nope, Im letting them all accumlate, then I figure I will print them out wallpaper my trailer with them and get a Ouiji board to divine the location of Elvis Presley.

Sorry couldnt resist, we are reviewing what we get yes....

What logs are going to tell me about Oiling issues I have no idea, but yes.

On the Oil side were running what supposed to be the best windage avaiable and a 3 quart (3 full quart) accumulator......

Noting more will be known until I get it home and tear it down.

You are assuming what went wrong, data doesn't lie. You are just throwing out a wild guess that it's oiling. You could be hammering the **** out of the motor and knocking the bearings out of it. Given your ET/MPH you aren't making crazy horsepower, the motor should live more than a couple passes.

It's absolutely foolish to be running that car down the track and not closely look at the data, actually, you shouldn't even of gone to the track and your tuner should of realized this as a MAJOR PROBLEM.

Case and point, similar situation as you, except I didn't talk **** for months building up to this so it didn't attract near as much attention. About 10 years ago I build a turbo'd car, lost a motor. I did the same thing as you and just guessed what went wrong. My datalogging system was screwing up, but I didn't think anything of it as I was convinced I knew what the problem was. Build another motor, and pop it. Same issue. Didn't have data. Built another motor, figured out my data logging issues, and found out that we had a wastegate problem and the car was seriously over boosting (data doesn't lie). Something that was so simple cost tons of money. Could be the same in your circumstances as well.

You have the "technology" so you say, use it. Your tuner should know better than to send a car down the track without knowing 100% sure that the datalogging system is working.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by boostedf22c

Your tuner should know better than to send a car down the track without knowing 100% sure that the datalogging system is working.

Wasnt their call, was a consensus and a bet on me and the old mans part.

We knew the issues, we knew the risks we knew the reward, we played our cards, we lost the hand not the game.

The old man has a quote he likes to use when he makes a bad bet, or just simply gets beat in a hand "Sometimes you just gotta pay the man"

Such is life.

Knowledge told is good if it comes from a trusted source, but it is still no replacement for knowlege earned.

As you found yourself, well get there, it is what it is and it will be handled,

Knocking the bearings out, no, plugs clean, det cans good on dyno, aki logged clear and a visual inspection (I pulled the heads ... yes really ) before we tracked....everything was as perfect as could be....and out AFR was fat and timing low, EGTs right in line (those are logged seperate, or I say can and were) Not totally blind, just partway.....

[hemidup]

Originally Posted by boostedf22c

You are assuming what went wrong, data doesn't lie. You are just throwing out a wild guess that it's oiling. You could be hammering the **** out of the motor and knocking the bearings out of it. Given your ET/MPH you aren't making crazy horsepower, the motor should live more than a couple passes.

It's absolutely foolish to be running that car down the track and not closely look at the data, actually, you shouldn't even of gone to the track and your tuner should of realized this as a MAJOR PROBLEM.

Case and point, similar situation as you, except I didn't talk **** for months building up to this so it didn't attract near as much attention. About 10 years ago I build a turbo'd car, lost a motor. I did the same thing as you and just guessed what went wrong. My datalogging system was screwing up, but I didn't think anything of it as I was convinced I knew what the problem was. Build another motor, and pop it. Same issue. Didn't have data. Built another motor, figured out my data logging issues, and found out that we had a wastegate problem and the car was seriously over boosting (data doesn't lie). Something that was so simple cost tons of money. Could be the same in your circumstances as well.

You have the "technology" so you say, use it. Your tuner should know better than to send a car down the track without knowing 100% sure that the datalogging system is working.

I'm gonna keep Drooze out of this. He's a friend and co racer dealing with new learning curves. He's had his fair share of ups and downs and I wish him and his crew well. I do agree with your comment about his tuner. His engine also add's another factor into the mix as well.

Anyways.....I don't know you, nor you know me, however you brought up very valid points. For me, data logging and active knock sensors are my new best friends. If it wasn't for those, I'm sure I'd of oiled down a track or two in the past 4 years.