Hope I do not regret this post and I hope it is taken as just an honest question.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by GUMP

It hasn't been that way for quite some time now.
With all the stuff that the Feds make the factories install for safety, emissions, etc. I think that these cars are a move in the right direction. It is a crying shame to tear down a brand new car and take half of it to the dump. Especially since Stock hasn't been "stock" for a lot of years. I do wish that they had been built with production motors.

Darren, until recently Stock still required a production car intended for street use. It was that way for the specific purpose of keeping ringers out. That rule was rescinded for the specific purpose of allowing these cars in. You can bet it was why Stock and Super Stock were "taken away" from Bob and Wesley.

People have been tossing street equipment for decades, including Federally mandated safety and emissions devices. It would be fine if NHRA were to make allowances or concessions in shipping weight to allow for this. But it has proven to be a terrible idea for them to allow purpose built race cars in Stock. No one told you that you had to go buy a new car to make a race car. You may have decided to do that, and that is fine.

The truth is, you're hoping GM will follow suit and put a Camaro ringer in the guide, so you're okay with all of this. At this point, I don't care, because NHRA sure isn't going to make this right. But I'm not going to say it is the right thing to do, I'm just going to say that since it is how things are, I'd just as soon GM did it too. But I'm not going to hold my breath, since they haven't even put the production cars in the guide.

[Jeff Teuton]

The last time I didn't get close to 1.01 under. The trucks were shuffled into stock and that killed me. That is the truck. Maybe Kelley is a better tuner than me. And I have never gotten in with the Super Bee. Maybe on the trucks I just forgot and went home.

[herbjr]

This will solve the problem. Make the AHFS 1.00, then take only the class winners to race on Sunday. Problem solved in 3 months. But then again I don't really care, although I'm building a 383 for stock in a b body wagon. It will be 280, the same motor in the cuda is 297 I think.

[Jeff Teuton]

Let me see if I can make someone's day. I think Mopar will make 50 2010 Drag Pak cars, I think Mopar will offer a body in white, contents yet to be determined. I think Mopar will offer a 392 Hemi. I have an idea a blower might be in the works. I think Mopar might offer an assemble-it-yourself motor package for the Gen III Hemi's. I think the base motors that the Drag Pak Hemi's were made from are or will be available as crate motors at a very resonable price. And I think the Fords have announced several motors, and there are I think Camaro body-in-white available, but no combos done or approved. Maybe some of the Ford guys could chime in here on what is available.

[herbjr]

I like the 392 with a blower, for 2010..

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

...until recently Stock still required a production car intended for street use.

You and I both know that a large percentage of the 60's to early 70's muscle cars were purpose built to be competetive in Stock. The street part was secondary.

People have been tossing street equipment for decades, including Federally mandated safety and emissions devices. It would be fine if NHRA were to make allowances or concessions in shipping weight to allow for this.

Agree.

The truth is, you're hoping GM will follow suit and put a Camaro ringer in the guide, so you're okay with all of this.

My suggestions to GM were that I would like to see a production motor in a stripped down Camaro, so please don't make BS statements like that.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by herbjr

This will solve the problem. Make the AHFS 1.00, then take only the class winners to race on Sunday. Problem solved in 3 months. But then again I don't really care, although I'm building a 383 for stock in a b body wagon. It will be 280, the same motor in the cuda is 297 I think.

Why not make it .75 under then take class winners ONLY to race the eliminator. Problem solved in less than a month ! If the HP to shipping wt ratio puts any combo at less than 7.00 lbs per HP then they race Super Stock only. Another problem solved.

[Rich Biebel]

"You and I both know that a large percentage of the 60's to early 70's muscle cars were purpose built to be competetive in Stock. The street part was secondary."


That is totally untrue and not even remotely accurate in my opinion. I was a teenager during the musle car era and everyone was eager to see what was coming out from Detroit. If they had the money they could buy a car and do anything they wanted with it........yes many did race their cars but the vast majority were weekend warriors at best.....NOT serious racecars....Sales were driven by the magazines and the cars were affordable.......You could buy a brand new Muscle car for $3000....or LESS....Still a lot of money at the time but affordable.......It was just a matter of picking your options........The car companies had an "arms race" going and did it to sell cars......Winning on Sunday...selling on Monday........The top of the line cars helped sell the lower HP models......No way Detroit built these cars solely to win in Stock........Winning certainly didn't hurt sales.....Stock wasn't even where most of them ended up anyway.....Super Stock was where they were after the categorie was created in 1967.......SS/A to SS/J and SS/AA to SS/JA....
Almost all the cars I can think of were production vehicles readily available with very few "ringers".....

[Andys dad]

Let's be honest.

From the mid 60s to the early 70s we street raced most of them way more than we took them to the drag strip.

While in Indianapolis (mid 60s) we did go to Raceway park and Muncie on the weekends but we lit'em up during the week every chance we got. I remember lots of racing was on unfinished freeways or a deserted road late at night.

In LA (early 70s) there were many places (Rinaldi Blvd in the San Fernando Valley had an unfinished housing project that over look the boulevard for spectators - so they did not get in the way) hell we raced the cars we drove on the street every day, even after we turned them into race cars.

I certainly did not by a car to run stock back then

I bought it because I thought it was a ..…well a.….I don't know maybe it was just fun.

Might have to do it again - crap zero to 60 in under 6 seconds was fast back then

Not now - now we talk about zero to a 100 under 6 seconds

Just thought I would lighten up this thread a little

[Randy Wells]

Let's do this if you run, let's say 10.30 @ 110 MPH. You get HP , Monday
Otherwise its just a very expensive bracket car bracket racing, get over it
Wells Bros
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