oil retention devices

[Jim Wahl]

I'm a MoPar guy. I would like to see how a diaper is going to be effective with the A or F body with the tie rod through the oil pan? With all due respect to you Comp and bracket guys who say " It can't be too hard to make them work", you don't know what you are talking about! Comp and Bracket cars don't have to retain STOCK suspensions and steering. There would have to be major rules changed and lots of money passed around to allow aftermarket K frames and motor plates and rear steer rack and pinion steering! And a tray on a Stocker? Nope. I also want to see the statistics that support the need for instituting this rule. Just because the Super .90 cars have to have them is not good enough reason. The Pro cars have had to have them for several years now. How is that working out? Pretty much stopped all the oil downs didn't it? NOT! Call and write your Division offices and Glendora and voice your opinion on this. If we all just sit back and do nothing this will become a rule and once again we will be enhanced! Jim

[david ring]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

I With all due respect to you Comp and bracket guys who say " It can't be too hard to make them work", you don't know what you are talking about! Comp and Bracket cars don't have to retain STOCK suspensions and steering.

Jim,

I asked the question about trays for a reason-Comp was originally ordered to have diapers and those were going to be a hassle, in part because of the dry sump systems we have on our cars. Trays became an alternative and they proved to be a better solution. I was asking if trays are a possibility, not saying they are easy. For us they were a better alternative than diapers, which I why I asked IF they could work for you as well. I did not say they could work for you.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by david ring

Jim,

I asked the question about trays for a reason-Comp was originally ordered to have diapers and those were going to be a hassle, in part because of the dry sump systems we have on our cars. Trays became an alternative and they proved to be a better solution. I was asking if trays are a possibility, not saying they are easy. For us they were a better alternative than diapers, which I why I asked IF they could work for you as well. I did not say they could work for you.

Ok Dave, sorry if I came of as hostile. Nothing personal believe me. I, as others on here, are very adamant about this. When I wrote NHRA about this I told them to do their homework and they would see why this is a bad idea. Jim

[Wade Mahaffey]

With all due respect to all racers, I will be using a retension device on my 60 Corvette. I have no clearence and/or fit issues. The reason I'm using it is to protect my investment. I build my own cars, and spend a huge amount of man hours to build the finest car with maximum attention to detail. If $160 dollars keeps oil off of my tires, and keeps me from destroying my car AND/OR SOMEONE ELSES CAR, I would buy a new one each season. I'm sure anyone who has torn up their racer and/or themselves after oiling the tires would have loved to have had the device in place. It's a real bitch when your sittin in the water and it's 90 degrees in the shade, and the guy just oiled 1000 feet of race track/shutdown area. Your in there sweatin your *** off, Your pissed off, your B/P is boiling, your emotion is taking over (your "A" game just became a "B" or 'C" game at best). Think about it, you'll have a year to get it done anyway!

MAKE YOUR CAR AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE!....YOU OWE IT TO YOUR FAMILY.... AND YOUR FELLOW COMPETITORS

Wade Mahaffey

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Wade Mahaffey

With all due respect to all racers, I will be using a retension device on my 60 Corvette. I have no clearence and/or fit issues. The reason I'm using it is to protect my investment. I build my own cars, and spend a huge amount of man hours to build the finest car with maximum attention to detail. If $160 dollars keeps oil off of my tires, and keeps me from destroying my car AND/OR SOMEONE ELSES CAR, I would buy a new one each season. I'm sure anyone who has torn up their racer and/or themselves after oiling the tires would have loved to have had the device in place. It's a real bitch when your sittin in the water and it's 90 degrees in the shade, and the guy just oiled 1000 feet of race track/shutdown area. Your in there sweatin your *** off, Your pissed off, your B/P is boiling, your emotion is taking over (your "A" game just became a "B" or 'C" game at best). Think about it, you'll have a year to get it done anyway!

MAKE YOUR CAR AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE!....YOU OWE IT TO YOUR FAMILY.... AND YOUR FELLOW COMPETITORS

Wade Mahaffey

Wade,in the case of S/SS cars the diaper is going to slow down the rate that the oil in the pan is cooled down.Super catogoriy cars are set up a few hundreths soft as you already know.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Wade Mahaffey

With all due respect to all racers, I will be using a retension device on my 60 Corvette. I have no clearence and/or fit issues. The reason I'm using it is to protect my investment. I build my own cars, and spend a huge amount of man hours to build the finest car with maximum attention to detail. If $160 dollars keeps oil off of my tires, and keeps me from destroying my car AND/OR SOMEONE ELSES CAR, I would buy a new one each season. I'm sure anyone who has torn up their racer and/or themselves after oiling the tires would have loved to have had the device in place. It's a real bitch when your sittin in the water and it's 90 degrees in the shade, and the guy just oiled 1000 feet of race track/shutdown area. Your in there sweatin your *** off, Your pissed off, your B/P is boiling, your emotion is taking over (your "A" game just became a "B" or 'C" game at best). Think about it, you'll have a year to get it done anyway!

MAKE YOUR CAR AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE!....YOU OWE IT TO YOUR FAMILY.... AND YOUR FELLOW COMPETITORS

Wade Mahaffey

With all due respect Wade..... you drive a tube chassis, no clearance issue what? Roadster? Corvette? Super Comp/ Super Gas what? Jim

[Wade Mahaffey]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

With all due respect Wade..... you drive a tube chassis, no clearance issue what? Roadster? Corvette? Super Comp/ Super Gas what? Jim

Jim and Ed, I have been under enough cars and built many also. I do undestand the clearance issues and cost involved. I am not feeling the pain of the average guy because I build my own headers, car, suspension, engine placement, everything. So for me it's not a big deal. I know the average racer does none of that, so he/she has to spend more money in fabrication/parts. I am done with the 90 cars....I still like them and respect the drivers and builders. To me it's all racing...a set of rules....and see if you can beat the next guy. I haven't raced in ten years on that level. The Corvette is for S/S and I surely have a great deal to learn. So when I get this little 283 red car done, be sure to set yourself up on my side of the sheet so you can get a free one! My point with the device is that I will use one and not that NHRA should mandate the use for everyone. I don't have any data on incidents or incident potential. I do have a family that depends on me, and that means minimize your exposure to danger and take all precautions possible. That's why I'm ok with my little "L" car. I don't even need a cage, but it's caged up real nice...even a window net. It's my opinion that an oil retension device is a good idea, hopefully I won't need it, or the seat belt, or the fire suit, or the cage, or the trans shield, drive shaft loop, etc. For my fellow racers....it will be nice for them to know that I am doing everything I can to minimize the chance of me getting into them on the run! The guys behind me will know that I'm doing my part to keep the track clean and safe for them.
Ed, I might be wrong but I thought it was...hot oil...cold water was the ticket for fast. That's what the guys that use chillers say....If you see one in D-1, look at the sticker or ask them who made it...you might get a surprise !!