oil retention devices

[Floyd Gomez]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

So we're now 11 pages in and no one can answer my question? Could it be that my 13 second Stocker is going down a National Event track and a Bracket Dragster isn't?

Billy
You are correct. Some tracks have mandated it in bracket cars running faster than 10.99. Others haven't. In my opinion what has happened is this. A manufacturer of these diapers has gone to NHRA and said "Hey I have this device that will save time and money from oil downs. If you mandate it on all cars running National Events and Divisional Events you can ensure less down time." NHRA agrees with no data to back it up. I don't fault the companies for trying to sell their product. A business owner has that duty to keep his company operating. I do however have a problem with a company trying to sell a product knowing that historical data shows that some cars and classes just don't need this product.

[Sean Marconette]

Originally Posted by Floyd Gomez

Billy
You are correct. Some tracks have mandated it in bracket cars running faster than 10.99. Others haven't. In my opinion what has happened is this. A manufacturer of these diapers has gone to NHRA and said "Hey I have this device that will save time and money from oil downs. If you mandate it on all cars running National Events and Divisional Events you can ensure less down time." NHRA agrees with no data to back it up. I don't fault the companies for trying to sell their product. A business owner has that duty to keep his company operating. I do however have a problem with a company trying to sell a product knowing that historical data shows that some cars and classes just don't need this product.

Amen!!!

Well unless you do a burnout at 8K?

Sean

[Floyd Gomez]

Hey no pickin on my buddy Drooze now!! LOL

Originally Posted by Sean Marconette

Amen!!!

Well unless you do a burnout at 8K?

Sean

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Floyd Gomez

Hey no pickin on my buddy Drooze now!! LOL

Lol...twernt me.....twas the old man...(pointing to Las Vegas where he decided to go......uhhhh....prepare our pit spot)

I kept the car at 37% throttle (+/- 1.5%) everytime I burnt it out.....or didnt burn it out....sometimes way too short, but I got logs up to that point at least.......

Does the NHRA require Stereo Capacitors to be "Approved" ? I cant find em in the guide ......

[Rich Biebel]

Since I have not run a National event since about 2001 I can only speak about Lucas races......

Easily the biggest offenders by far are TAFC and TAD.....They puke almost every session and it's rediuclous the amount of time lost to a low number of cars....


Ever notice how smoothly a race goes where they are NOT in attendance....

I think some of the really fast High dollar muscle car Stockers might want to have a diaper as they are racing cars worth a great deal of money.....or some of the newer fast cars too......


but in all fairness I rarely see Stockers or SS'ers for that matter oil up the racetrack......

I have a diaper....it's required in S/C.....it is a pain in the arse......but I feel safer with it on there at the speed I run.......I would probably have one even if it was not required.......

Requireing Stockers to have one seems misguided from a stats point of view.....

[B Aceves]

Well how many people have seen a Stocker catch on fire going down the track ?
Thus the change in the pants rule !! Same Crap.

[Floyd Gomez]

Originally Posted by B Aceves

Well how many people have seen a Stocker catch on fire going down the track ?
Thus the change in the pants rule !! Same Crap.

B,
I have seen a stocker catch on fire years ago. THe guy had borrowed a carb from another racer and it developed a leak after the burnout. It caught on fire about the 1/8 mile and burned to the ground. WIth that said, the driver had on jeans and a jacket and it melted part of his jeans to his legs. Keep in mind this was years ago so I think they should have made that rule then not wait until now.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

I think some of the really fast High dollar muscle car Stockers might want to have a diaper as they are racing cars worth a great deal of money.....or some of the newer fast cars too......

Actually after one of our last exchanges, I picked up the phone and called Dennis over at DRE, he was a nice fellow, I said sounds like youve been taking a beating and before he could say anything I told him, hey I already drank the coolaid, Im sure if I was MANDATED to have it on a car that it was a real pain to use put on and take off I would feel different.

For me, and after 2 experiences of perforating engines in this car, well, I am considering it saftey equiptment, not for us for the damm car. I put too much work into this thing to see it become a crushed tin can because of oil past 330'

Thats me, I actually dont mind saftey equiptment, and it will also keep us from holding up an event should that occur, I dont like it when Im held up so I dont expect others too, bad for the racers, bad for the fans, bad for us.

For those that have never had a need, I can see a concen and mandating it seem a bit rough to me, there are cars ive had I have no idea how I would get one on or off, hardly ever, hell the Stock SRT8 I would gripe about because it would be a hassle, Mustangs, ouch....and on.

Cheap, Cheap insurance against something weve already had happen. For us....

That being said something was brought to my attention during our conversation, apparently with all the griping about the Hazmat and such in Florida and EPA concerns from the NHRA perspective, apparently someone brought it to their attention that if it happens on the track it may be their liablity / fault. And them subject to fines possibly ? Or something along that line....make sense eh ?

Just something I thought I would share, why is the NHRA worried, its gotta be pressure right ? Or fear of $ liability to someone (the oil , not the diapers) and its kinda like the post office we had that installed all bullet proof glass after it kept getting robbed repeatedly, only to have my dad say "watch this" and we walked right in an open side door behind the counters......same thing with the oil, Uhhhhh......oooppppsss we forgot something and in our zeal to make sure YOU do what you should we left ourselves wide open....

Just a thought maybe wrong but noone likes liability.....crap that reminds me I have to go finish the "Independent Contrator" clauses for our Pit Girls....see.....even saves me from a harrasment charge when I say "Come on Wiggle a liltte more for the other racers" ...... Noone likes liability and BIG Out of control companies or orgainizations reward employees for finding things like this to be worried about....

[7820]

You are correct...Dennis at DRE is one of the good guys. I'm a Super Gas, Super Pro racer and have a diaper. It is my belief that any car using a power adder, such as NOS, turbo, blower,etc should be required to have a diaper regardless of ET or class or bracket. I also believe that any car quicker than 10.00 seconds or faster than 135 MPH should have a diaper

My $0.02

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Floyd Gomez

Billy
You are correct. Some tracks have mandated it in bracket cars running faster than 10.99. Others haven't. In my opinion what has happened is this. A manufacturer of these diapers has gone to NHRA and said "Hey I have this device that will save time and money from oil downs. If you mandate it on all cars running National Events and Divisional Events you can ensure less down time." NHRA agrees with no data to back it up. I don't fault the companies for trying to sell their product. A business owner has that duty to keep his company operating. I do however have a problem with a company trying to sell a product knowing that historical data shows that some cars and classes just don't need this product.

Floyd,

I'm with you and Billy on this, as it's just as crummy in my mind as the torque converter companies (except I think for Hughes), requiring you to have either purchased or had serviced a converter within 36mths of the event that the contingency is earned at (per a ND mag. from last month)!