Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock?

bill dedman · 04-06-2010, 01:15 AM

Since I have NO dog in that hunt, nobody can accuse me of trying to feather my nest, but with that in mind, I am curious as to what the reason is for disallowing cars that cannot make the 128-car qualified field.

In fact, if it's such an honor to participate because your car is fast enough to hold one of the top 128 slots, using that thinking, why not just revert to the once-protocol and make it a requirement that you win your class to run the Eliminator.

We might find out just how fast some of these cars REALLY are, then. Couldn't have THAT, now, could we????

But, seriously, who does it make uncomfortable to have an "all run" policy in Stock Eliminator at Indy on Labor Day? I knew a guy who wouldn't go because he knew he couldn't qualify, and his car was arguably the quickest car in his divisiion in a VERY popular (lotsa cars) class.

His index was tougher than the others' and he was screwed....

Those people deserve to race if they've spent the money and have the grade points.

Once again, whom does it hurt, if it's an all-run format?

Just askin'....

X-TECH MAN · 04-06-2010, 06:51 AM

[QUOTE=bill dedman;

Those people deserve to race if they've spent the money and have the grade points.

Once again, whom does it hurt, if it's an all-run format?

Just askin'....[/QUOTE]

The people with BIG money and even BIGGER EGO's. They just cant stand it when someone with a .5 or so under car beats them and cry like a baby.

Evan Smith · 04-06-2010, 07:07 AM

It doesn't hurt anyone if you don't mind an extra round of eliminations. So, why don't we just give everyone a trophy and call it a day.

It's called competition, and that's why many of us race. There is something special about making the field at Indy. I have enough trouble going two rounds, no less eight. Sure there are plenty of hard-working racers who don't run very far under the index, but anyone can build any combination, so if you want to qualify at Indy build a combo that goes deep under the index, just like Bob Shaw does. That is not a knock on Shaw, he is obviously smart, he likes to qualify well, and he finds combos that allow him to do so.

Evan

Mike Voth · 04-06-2010, 12:53 PM

The real question is...

It took -0.900 to make the Indy field last year in both Stock and Super Stock. Even after losing three tenths off the indexes...I'll bet it'll still take -0.900 to make the field this year!! (I guess that was more of a statement, than question)

THE LEGEND · 04-06-2010, 01:27 PM

Stock is BRacket racing with rules. and if you think it's not the same that would explain why you don't win.
Chip Johnson

Jack McCarthy · 04-06-2010, 01:54 PM

billy...
the only true question was left off the poll because the starter of the thread cant win class or qualify therefore that wasnt an option...

i will never race indy again unless they return to true class competition...
im not whining here, and my car might race and it will qualify (at least until 128 cj's or dp's show up), but that was one rule too damn many to be enhanced for me.

the captain

Dean3870 · 04-06-2010, 05:47 PM

If you made indy a all run feild, would be the only way I for one could qualify. But in no way should it be! If that was the case then it would be like just a nother IHRA meet. Not that i have any problem with IHRA. But any one can run! You would take away the whole meaning of indy if it was a all run feild! I do agree with Jack thoe! it SHOULD be a class winners, and then fastest!!!!!!!!!!!!lets try not to compleatley forget about tradition!

442OLDS · 04-06-2010, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

billy...
the only true question was left off the poll because the starter of the thread cant win class or qualify therefore that wasnt an option...

the captain

Be sure to vote in the NEW poll!

BTW,I know you can't run with Bob Shaw so class isn't looking too good,and once all of the new cars are completed,I believe you are a DNQ just like me!

Ed Fernandez · 04-06-2010, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

Be sure to vote in the NEW poll!

BTW,I know you can't run with Bob Shaw so class isn't looking too good,and once all of the new cars are completed,I believe you are a DNQ just like me!

Bob has us all covered and more.A fact of life.For that reason I'll probably never go to Indy.Unless I hit Power Ball.Then watch out Bob I'm coming after you.:>)

Mike Carr · 04-06-2010, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Stock is BRacket racing with rules. and if you think it's not the same that would explain why you don't win.
Chip Johnson

Not necesarily, Chip. I know a few really good bracket/.90 racers that tried Stock/SS, and failed. One friend wouldn't even try it, because "it sounded too hard and complicated". It may be similar, but also has a world of differences. Like Lee said, and so true, "Class Racing isn't for everyone". Thankfully, both exist and each has their option.

View Poll Results: Should Indy Be All Run Field In Stock?
ONLY 128 Fastest Cars under index	133	66.50%
ALL RUN FIELD	67	33.50%
Voters: 200. You may not vote on this poll

04-06-2010, 01:15 AM	#1
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? Since I have NO dog in that hunt, nobody can accuse me of trying to feather my nest, but with that in mind, I am curious as to what the reason is for disallowing cars that cannot make the 128-car qualified field. In fact, if it's such an honor to participate because your car is fast enough to hold one of the top 128 slots, using that thinking, why not just revert to the once-protocol and make it a requirement that you win your class to run the Eliminator. We might find out just how fast some of these cars REALLY are, then. Couldn't have THAT, now, could we???? But, seriously, who does it make uncomfortable to have an "all run" policy in Stock Eliminator at Indy on Labor Day? I knew a guy who wouldn't go because he knew he couldn't qualify, and his car was arguably the quickest car in his divisiion in a VERY popular (lotsa cars) class. His index was tougher than the others' and he was screwed.... Those people deserve to race if they've spent the money and have the grade points. Once again, whom does it hurt, if it's an all-run format? Just askin'.... __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 04-06-2010 at 01:18 AM.

04-06-2010, 06:51 AM	#2
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? [QUOTE=bill dedman; Those people deserve to race if they've spent the money and have the grade points. Once again, whom does it hurt, if it's an all-run format? Just askin'....[/QUOTE] The people with BIG money and even BIGGER EGO's. They just cant stand it when someone with a .5 or so under car beats them and cry like a baby.

04-06-2010, 07:07 AM	#3
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? It doesn't hurt anyone if you don't mind an extra round of eliminations. So, why don't we just give everyone a trophy and call it a day. It's called competition, and that's why many of us race. There is something special about making the field at Indy. I have enough trouble going two rounds, no less eight. Sure there are plenty of hard-working racers who don't run very far under the index, but anyone can build any combination, so if you want to qualify at Indy build a combo that goes deep under the index, just like Bob Shaw does. That is not a knock on Shaw, he is obviously smart, he likes to qualify well, and he finds combos that allow him to do so. Evan __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK

04-06-2010, 12:53 PM	#4
Mike Voth Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Buhler, KS Posts: 527 Likes: 5 Liked 57 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? The real question is... It took -0.900 to make the Indy field last year in both Stock and Super Stock. Even after losing three tenths off the indexes...I'll bet it'll still take -0.900 to make the field this year!! (I guess that was more of a statement, than question) __________________ Mike Voth 5189 GTN - 5188 GTO Voth Racing

04-06-2010, 01:27 PM	#5
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? Stock is BRacket racing with rules. and if you think it's not the same that would explain why you don't win. Chip Johnson

04-06-2010, 01:54 PM	#6
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? billy... the only true question was left off the poll because the starter of the thread cant win class or qualify therefore that wasnt an option... i will never race indy again unless they return to true class competition... im not whining here, and my car might race and it will qualify (at least until 128 cj's or dp's show up), but that was one rule too damn many to be enhanced for me. the captain __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

04-06-2010, 05:47 PM	#7
Dean3870 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: shelby, ohio Posts: 49 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? If you made indy a all run feild, would be the only way I for one could qualify. But in no way should it be! If that was the case then it would be like just a nother IHRA meet. Not that i have any problem with IHRA. But any one can run! You would take away the whole meaning of indy if it was a all run feild! I do agree with Jack thoe! it SHOULD be a class winners, and then fastest!!!!!!!!!!!!lets try not to compleatley forget about tradition!