oil retention devices

Rick Bailey · 04-06-2010, 07:19 AM

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post title: For those who complain about engine diapers...

Posted April 06, 2010 01:09 AM
Found this pic floating around of my dads less than one year old car back in October of 2000, kicked a rod out about 80 feet out and rolled 3 times. A blanket would have saved this car, and his broken back, without a doubt. just a reminder as people are starting their seasons around here.

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John Kelley · 04-06-2010, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rick bailey

barrowed from another site
post title: For those who complain about engine diapers...
Posted april 06, 2010 01:09 am
found this pic floating around of my dads less than one year old car back in october of 2000, kicked a rod out about 80 feet out and rolled 3 times. A blanket would have saved this car, and his broken back, without a doubt. Just a reminder as people are starting their seasons around here.

a throttle stop car ?? Looks like........

mannymen · 04-06-2010, 08:10 AM

Rick Bailey that pick sums it up. I'll try and post a pic of my father's Henry J after his crash when the rods came through the pan. It's a nice pick of him laying there and you can only see his legs. You would have thought he was dead. It looked like the wizard of oz when the house was on top of the wicked witch. It rolled over 6 times going through the traps at 135 mph. Not a nice site for my mother/his wife and 5 year old grandson to see.

Sorry to all as I said I wouldn't post again on this thread earlier, but that pic says it all

darkside · 04-06-2010, 10:51 AM

I for one don't care how long the track clean up is!

BUT,

I borrowed a stocker that was an awesome car, kicked a rod and luckily didn't wreck it...took over an hour clean up at a national event.

Broke a rod in my TD at a national open, diaper got it all never one drop on the track...zero clean up time and the car never wiggled.

Saw a guy throw a rod at a bracket race, next guy down flips 3 times in the other guys oil.

And most are right on here, it is a very small percentage problem...but if your one that loses a car or gets hurt does it really matter the percentage?

This isn't mufflers, this isn't fire jackets, this can save your car, other peoples cars and lives.

FYI, I race TD now but have raced in Stock and won a National in Super Stock so maybe, just maybe my opinion counts.

Chris "drooze" Wertman · 04-06-2010, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by darkside

FYI, I race TD now but have raced in Stock and won a National in Super Stock so maybe, just maybe my opinion counts.

Here, no......

Not unless you are perfect, never disagree, have at least 10 world records, give your full name address and social secutiry number. AND are over 55

(sorry just kidding couldnt resist

Im feeling punchy today.

SSDiv6 · 04-06-2010, 08:22 PM

This is my $0.02 on the subject...

Putting oil retention devices on Stock and Super Stock cars is just ridiculous when there is not data to support the rule implementation. The addition of the device is just a ticking bomb inside the engine compartment of these cars.

I noticed many of the Super Classes racers making comments as regards to their use. Nevertheless, the Super Class cars do not launch, or operate the same as a Stocker or Super Stocker. I have never seen a Super Class car drag the bumper during a launch, or crush the headers or oil pans after a big wheelstand.

What is NHRA going to do when the first Stocker or Super Stocker catches fire due to a blanket that is soaked in oil and makes contact with the hot headers? Are they are going to require a fire extinguishing system afterward?

Engine oil have a flash point that varies from 350 Degrees F to 503 Degrees F.
The flash point is the temperature at which an oil gives off vapors that can be ignited with a flame held over the oil.

Just imagine a contained engine compartment environment in which the exhaust headers have temperatures exceeding twice or more the flash point of oil, with a blanket soaked in engine oil and the results after the ignition of the oil vapors. Let's not forget the additional sources of ignition such as the fuel system and other electrical components that will burn too after the oil ignites...

Do not get me wrong; I am a proponent for safety. However, there are many other considerations that need to be looked at first.

Chris "drooze" Wertman · 04-06-2010, 08:40 PM

Im not really disagreeing, I see valid points and I think Mandating it sucks, I choose to run one now. but we have oodles of clearance and well....after 2 oil mishaps...

Ill just say this, I can run really really fast when crap is on fire.

I cannot run really really fast when in a barrel roll........

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

This is my $0.02 on the subject...

Putting oil retention devices on Stock and Super Stock cars is just ridiculous when there is not data to support the rule implementation. The addition of the device is just a ticking bomb inside the engine compartment of these cars.

I noticed many of the Super Classes racers making comments as regards to their use. Nevertheless, the Super Class cars do not launch, or operate the same as a Stocker or Super Stocker. I have never seen a Super Class car drag the bumper during a launch, or crush the headers or oil pans after a big wheelstand.

What is NHRA going to do when the first Stocker or Super Stocker catches fire due to a blanket that is soaked in oil and makes contact with the hot headers? Are they are going to require a fire extinguishing system afterward?

Engine oil have a flash point that varies from 350 Degrees F to 503 Degrees F.
The flash point is the temperature at which an oil gives off vapors that can be ignited with a flame held over the oil.

Just imagine a contained engine compartment environment in which the exhaust headers have temperatures exceeding twice or more the flash point of oil, with a blanket soaked in engine oil and the results after the ignition of the oil vapors. Let's not forget the additional sources of ignition such as the fuel system and other electrical components that will burn too after the oil ignites...

Do not get me wrong; I am a proponent for safety. However, there are many other considerations that need to be looked at first.

mannymen · 04-06-2010, 08:47 PM

SSDiv6, The diapers have a diaper pad within the actual diaper itself so it doesn't soak through. They are also replaceable once they get soaked. Big Wheelies and smashing oil pans makes even more sense why we should have them. I can guarantee you that if the diaper is installed properly that oil will not touch your headers nor the ground. Plus the outer blanket has a heat/burn resistant material attached to it. the diaper is on your pan very snug so nothing is coming through it.

I'm not trying to sell anyone it, but just trying to educate those about them.

04-06-2010, 07:19 AM	#1
Rick Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 502 Likes: 5 Liked 10 Times in 7 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Barrowed from another site post title: For those who complain about engine diapers... Posted April 06, 2010 01:09 AM Found this pic floating around of my dads less than one year old car back in October of 2000, kicked a rod out about 80 feet out and rolled 3 times. A blanket would have saved this car, and his broken back, without a doubt. just a reminder as people are starting their seasons around here. Click on pic to increase size Attached Thumbnails __________________ Rick Bailey 3439 SC Last edited by Rick Bailey; 04-06-2010 at 07:26 AM.

04-06-2010, 08:10 AM	#3
mannymen Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 728 Likes: 5 Liked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Rick Bailey that pick sums it up. I'll try and post a pic of my father's Henry J after his crash when the rods came through the pan. It's a nice pick of him laying there and you can only see his legs. You would have thought he was dead. It looked like the wizard of oz when the house was on top of the wicked witch. It rolled over 6 times going through the traps at 135 mph. Not a nice site for my mother/his wife and 5 year old grandson to see. Sorry to all as I said I wouldn't post again on this thread earlier, but that pic says it all __________________ N/A Last edited by mannymen; 04-06-2010 at 08:17 AM.

04-06-2010, 10:51 AM	#4
darkside Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 56 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: oil retention devices I for one don't care how long the track clean up is! BUT, I borrowed a stocker that was an awesome car, kicked a rod and luckily didn't wreck it...took over an hour clean up at a national event. Broke a rod in my TD at a national open, diaper got it all never one drop on the track...zero clean up time and the car never wiggled. Saw a guy throw a rod at a bracket race, next guy down flips 3 times in the other guys oil. And most are right on here, it is a very small percentage problem...but if your one that loses a car or gets hurt does it really matter the percentage? This isn't mufflers, this isn't fire jackets, this can save your car, other peoples cars and lives. FYI, I race TD now but have raced in Stock and won a National in Super Stock so maybe, just maybe my opinion counts. __________________ Lynn Ellison

04-06-2010, 08:22 PM	#6
SSDiv6 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glendale, Arizona Posts: 3,044 Likes: 712 Liked 1,583 Times in 582 Posts	Re: oil retention devices This is my $0.02 on the subject... Putting oil retention devices on Stock and Super Stock cars is just ridiculous when there is not data to support the rule implementation. The addition of the device is just a ticking bomb inside the engine compartment of these cars. I noticed many of the Super Classes racers making comments as regards to their use. Nevertheless, the Super Class cars do not launch, or operate the same as a Stocker or Super Stocker. I have never seen a Super Class car drag the bumper during a launch, or crush the headers or oil pans after a big wheelstand. What is NHRA going to do when the first Stocker or Super Stocker catches fire due to a blanket that is soaked in oil and makes contact with the hot headers? Are they are going to require a fire extinguishing system afterward? Engine oil have a flash point that varies from 350 Degrees F to 503 Degrees F. The flash point is the temperature at which an oil gives off vapors that can be ignited with a flame held over the oil. Just imagine a contained engine compartment environment in which the exhaust headers have temperatures exceeding twice or more the flash point of oil, with a blanket soaked in engine oil and the results after the ignition of the oil vapors. Let's not forget the additional sources of ignition such as the fuel system and other electrical components that will burn too after the oil ignites... Do not get me wrong; I am a proponent for safety. However, there are many other considerations that need to be looked at first.

04-06-2010, 08:47 PM	#8
mannymen Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 728 Likes: 5 Liked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Re: oil retention devices SSDiv6, The diapers have a diaper pad within the actual diaper itself so it doesn't soak through. They are also replaceable once they get soaked. Big Wheelies and smashing oil pans makes even more sense why we should have them. I can guarantee you that if the diaper is installed properly that oil will not touch your headers nor the ground. Plus the outer blanket has a heat/burn resistant material attached to it. the diaper is on your pan very snug so nothing is coming through it. I'm not trying to sell anyone it, but just trying to educate those about them. __________________ N/A