Connecting Highway

cammer427 · 04-12-2010, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mopar68

Oh well, it's his car...

M68

Mmhmm, I'd be saying that through gritted-teeth, too.

cammer427 · 04-13-2010, 12:15 AM

I know a lot of famous street racers from NY/NJ ended up buying famous race cars to race professionally themselves, but I'm not sure how many of these cars actually saw time on the street. I'm fairly certain Tab Talmadge's '65 A/FX 427 SOHC Mustang he purchased from Dyno Don saw a lot of big money street action. Other cars that may have been raced on the street during the early-mid-'70s: Levi Holmes purchased Bill Blanding's 1969 "MiMi" Camaro, Tab Talmadge purchased Dyno Don's 1965 A/FX 427 SOHC Mustang, James & Will Smallwood purchased two ex-Sox & Martin cars (were they just "shop" cars, built and sold by S&M, I wonder?) which were a 1969 "Notchback" car and a '72 Barracuda, Willie "Cam Rod" (sp?) Campbell purchased Hubert Platt's (Platt & Yates) '70 Maverick, "Fast Earl" Mitchell's '69 Camaro was possibly owned by Wally Booth before he purchased it (the engine was at least Booth-Arons-built).

hemicop · 04-13-2010, 01:59 AM

You have to understand & remember that "street" car was a VERY broad term. These high-dollar races were usually set-up during the week & come the week-end, the car flat-towed to the location & ran. If the race was near one's shop, so much the better or if you were smart you'd set-up the race, tow several miles from the spot, then unhook your car&race your "street" car against a guys track car, often asking for a spot since "all" you had was a street car. Some guys "scouted" the drive-ins with their tow-car, set up a race then go get the car.
Now slower guys like me or a few others mentioned here did have legitimate dual-purpose cars and we didn't try running guys like "Heavy" or the others. We knew what they had & couldn't afford their kind of race. But other's like my friend who owned the speed shop DID have the bucks & would run for a grand or so with "backers" driving the bet up to five figures or so. But the average guy would only run for what his paycheck could safely tolerate.

Paul Ceasrine · 04-13-2010, 05:29 AM

Hemicop,
Also, some street-racers would buy a race-ready track car, sand off the lettering and re-paint it with primer or paint it badly (usually black).
Pull off the mag wheels, and pop on steel wheels. And almost always, pull off the front bumper.
The goal, to make it look 'ratty'. Bait your opponent for cash.
THEN BLOW HIS DOORS OFF!
I think the term used for those cars was 'suckermobiles' or 'sucker-cars'
Paul

hemicop · 04-13-2010, 01:50 PM

I've heard the term "sucker car" or more popularly "sleeper" and even the true racecars could draw someone in. My friend's '66 Impala wasa just an ugly version of Nick Scavo's old Impala but without the juice. I have a similiar motor in my garage I got from Schafiroff I'm hoping to use in my next project. "Sleepers" aren't popular here and I'm sure I can get it into the 10s (for here that's pretty quick.

Paul Ceasrine · 04-13-2010, 06:00 PM

Some Sleepers,
Usually, a 57' Chevy, with different colored doors, dented fenders, body-rot on the rear quarters, missing the bumpers, hanging head-liner.
Equipped with a tricked up 331c.i., Mondello Heads, and few other Goodies. Probably a 12.30 car.
PC

cammer427 · 04-13-2010, 06:44 PM

Although I do love the idea of sleepers, I prefer those cars you just know from the second you see 'em were meant for one thing and one thing only. Cars like the '68 Road Runner Art & Tex raced for Big Jerry, Froggy's '65 Belvedere, the Cross-Bay Dart and others from that time with that sort of look just gets my blood flowing. To me those are the coolest f-king vehicles ever made. Sure most of them don't have a front bumper, or a heater, or ... anything else. But that's the point. Just raw, nasty, wicked, primered, snorting, high-horse, no-back-seat, dinged up, rough looking machines that mean 100% business and won't show up for less than a few thousand $$$.

RJDUDEK · 07-18-2011, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cammer427

I know a lot of famous street racers from NY/NJ ended up buying famous race cars to race professionally themselves, but I'm not sure how many of these cars actually saw time on the street. I'm fairly certain Tab Talmadge's '65 A/FX 427 SOHC Mustang he purchased from Dyno Don saw a lot of big money street action. Other cars that may have been raced on the street during the early-mid-'70s: Levi Holmes purchased Bill Blanding's 1969 "MiMi" Camaro, Tab Talmadge purchased Dyno Don's 1965 A/FX 427 SOHC Mustang, James & Will Smallwood purchased two ex-Sox & Martin cars (were they just "shop" cars, built and sold by S&M, I wonder?) which were a 1969 "Notchback" car and a '72 Barracuda, Willie "Cam Rod" (sp?) Campbell purchased Hubert Platt's (Platt & Yates) '70 Maverick, "Fast Earl" Mitchell's '69 Camaro was possibly owned by Wally Booth before he purchased it (the engine was at least Booth-Arons-built).

I had a long -time friend that was very close to Earl..and yes that was Booth's car..I was in Paterson the day the hauler showed up with it. That car had some history. And prol kept Booth in "green"..long after the fact..better than when he campaigned it.!

Paul Ceasrine · 07-19-2011, 06:44 PM

Hopefully someone will get it correct.

The quarter-million dollar race.
1969,,,,,,,,

The Mutt Brothers (ex S-K Dart)
426 Hemi 4-speed (SS/B)
re-painted black

vs.

Super John 1969 Camaro,,,,,
427 w/tunnel ram,,,an A/MP car.
painted white with red

mike natoli · 07-20-2011, 09:12 AM

I worked for Walter Pfeiffer in the mid 70's Preiffers Automotive who races "Pfeiffers Puffer" 40 Willys and also ran a fast Anglia hilborne injected smallblock in both I think they were c & b gassers. He told us a story that Brodleib Motors did get a Hemi car and they wrecked it right after taking it off the car carrier into a pole on Franklin ave in Woodmere. I'm not quite sure what happened the story gets a little sketchy and the car suddenly dissappeared... they did not know how to tell the Old man Ted Brodleib they also had a Super cars Drag clinic out of that dealer also.

04-13-2010, 12:15 AM	#2
cammer427 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 37 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway I know a lot of famous street racers from NY/NJ ended up buying famous race cars to race professionally themselves, but I'm not sure how many of these cars actually saw time on the street. I'm fairly certain Tab Talmadge's '65 A/FX 427 SOHC Mustang he purchased from Dyno Don saw a lot of big money street action. Other cars that may have been raced on the street during the early-mid-'70s: Levi Holmes purchased Bill Blanding's 1969 "MiMi" Camaro, Tab Talmadge purchased Dyno Don's 1965 A/FX 427 SOHC Mustang, James & Will Smallwood purchased two ex-Sox & Martin cars (were they just "shop" cars, built and sold by S&M, I wonder?) which were a 1969 "Notchback" car and a '72 Barracuda, Willie "Cam Rod" (sp?) Campbell purchased Hubert Platt's (Platt & Yates) '70 Maverick, "Fast Earl" Mitchell's '69 Camaro was possibly owned by Wally Booth before he purchased it (the engine was at least Booth-Arons-built).

04-13-2010, 01:59 AM	#3
hemicop Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 63 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway You have to understand & remember that "street" car was a VERY broad term. These high-dollar races were usually set-up during the week & come the week-end, the car flat-towed to the location & ran. If the race was near one's shop, so much the better or if you were smart you'd set-up the race, tow several miles from the spot, then unhook your car&race your "street" car against a guys track car, often asking for a spot since "all" you had was a street car. Some guys "scouted" the drive-ins with their tow-car, set up a race then go get the car. Now slower guys like me or a few others mentioned here did have legitimate dual-purpose cars and we didn't try running guys like "Heavy" or the others. We knew what they had & couldn't afford their kind of race. But other's like my friend who owned the speed shop DID have the bucks & would run for a grand or so with "backers" driving the bet up to five figures or so. But the average guy would only run for what his paycheck could safely tolerate.

04-13-2010, 05:29 AM	#4
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway Hemicop, Also, some street-racers would buy a race-ready track car, sand off the lettering and re-paint it with primer or paint it badly (usually black). Pull off the mag wheels, and pop on steel wheels. And almost always, pull off the front bumper. The goal, to make it look 'ratty'. Bait your opponent for cash. THEN BLOW HIS DOORS OFF! I think the term used for those cars was 'suckermobiles' or 'sucker-cars' Paul

04-13-2010, 01:50 PM	#5
hemicop Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 63 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway I've heard the term "sucker car" or more popularly "sleeper" and even the true racecars could draw someone in. My friend's '66 Impala wasa just an ugly version of Nick Scavo's old Impala but without the juice. I have a similiar motor in my garage I got from Schafiroff I'm hoping to use in my next project. "Sleepers" aren't popular here and I'm sure I can get it into the 10s (for here that's pretty quick.

04-13-2010, 06:00 PM	#6
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway Some Sleepers, Usually, a 57' Chevy, with different colored doors, dented fenders, body-rot on the rear quarters, missing the bumpers, hanging head-liner. Equipped with a tricked up 331c.i., Mondello Heads, and few other Goodies. Probably a 12.30 car. PC

04-13-2010, 06:44 PM	#7
cammer427 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 37 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway Although I do love the idea of sleepers, I prefer those cars you just know from the second you see 'em were meant for one thing and one thing only. Cars like the '68 Road Runner Art & Tex raced for Big Jerry, Froggy's '65 Belvedere, the Cross-Bay Dart and others from that time with that sort of look just gets my blood flowing. To me those are the coolest f-king vehicles ever made. Sure most of them don't have a front bumper, or a heater, or ... anything else. But that's the point. Just raw, nasty, wicked, primered, snorting, high-horse, no-back-seat, dinged up, rough looking machines that mean 100% business and won't show up for less than a few thousand $$$.

07-19-2011, 06:44 PM	#9
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway Hopefully someone will get it correct. The quarter-million dollar race. 1969,,,,,,,, The Mutt Brothers (ex S-K Dart) 426 Hemi 4-speed (SS/B) re-painted black vs. Super John 1969 Camaro,,,,, 427 w/tunnel ram,,,an A/MP car. painted white with red

07-20-2011, 09:12 AM	#10
mike natoli Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Valley Stream mini Gasoline Alley & Div I Posts: 100 Likes: 25 Liked 51 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway I worked for Walter Pfeiffer in the mid 70's Preiffers Automotive who races "Pfeiffers Puffer" 40 Willys and also ran a fast Anglia hilborne injected smallblock in both I think they were c & b gassers. He told us a story that Brodleib Motors did get a Hemi car and they wrecked it right after taking it off the car carrier into a pole on Franklin ave in Woodmere. I'm not quite sure what happened the story gets a little sketchy and the car suddenly dissappeared... they did not know how to tell the Old man Ted Brodleib they also had a Super cars Drag clinic out of that dealer also.