How do you close tech for a race? - Page 3

Beth Denysenko · 04-21-2010, 06:39 AM

Often you see posts from not-current-racers getting flamed by people who say "you don't have a dog in this fight, you don't race, your comments don't count." If you weren't there in October and/or weren't ever qualified to enter, why do you care and why are you commenting? It doesn't affect you. Please don't stir up more controversy - this mess doesn't need it.

FWIW, I agree with Brandon. If you didn't make the effort - the EXTREMELY long and character building effort to be there through the whole thing, then why should you get the chance to come back? It was not like the whole weekend was a complete rain out. Quite the opposite.

I know this because I was there. I believe I was the local reporter in a thread about this . . . . click here to read it. What actually happened is well chronicled with time stamps and everything. We raced every day, quite a bit of the day in fact. For Saturday and Sunday it wasn't rain but cold & wind that made it difficult. This created a track that offered a lot of challenges that took time to work out. We even raced Monday off and on until mid-afternoon. It was not a complete rain out at all. Those of you NOT THERE wouldn’t know that.

Turn out was extremely high for the final event to gain entry to the TOC. So high in fact, we started four hours late on the first day that was gorgeous waiting for all the people to get through tech. Then we had oil downs from both sportsmen and pros, multiple crashes, problems with the tree, lots of time prepping the track trying to get it to hook then they decided it hooked too much.

People who now say they stayed home in October because of the weather is a copout. That's not the reason for the postponement. Those of us who were there know this. It's what killed the idea of staying another day to finish it - Tuesday and Wednesday WERE complete wash outs. I know, we watched the radar the whole two days going home in the motorhome. IHRA knew this too, that’s why they called the race Monday afternoon and sent us home.

I believe (and it's a good decision, one of the few that came out of this mess) if you didn't suffer with the group in October, didn't make the good faith effort to be there for the first race, why should you get to come back?

If you were there and believe I am wrong, then flame away.

danny waters sr · 04-21-2010, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Beth Kieffer

Often you see posts from not-current-racers getting flamed by people who say "you don't have a dog in this fight, you don't race, your comments don't count." If you weren't there in October and/or weren't ever qualified to enter, why do you care and why are you commenting? It doesn't affect you. Please don't stir up more controversy - this mess doesn't need it.

FWIW, I agree with Brandon. If you didn't make the effort - the EXTREMELY long and character building effort to be there through the whole thing, then why should you get the chance to come back? It was not like the whole weekend was a complete rain out. Quite the opposite.

I know this because I was there. I believe I was the local reporter in a thread about this . . . . click here to read it. What actually happened is well chronicled with time stamps and everything. We raced every day, quite a bit of the day in fact. For Saturday and Sunday it wasn't rain but cold & wind that made it difficult. This created a track that offered a lot of challenges that took time to work out. We even raced Monday off and on until mid-afternoon. It was not a complete rain out at all. Those of you NOT THERE wouldn’t know that.

Turn out was extremely high for the final event to gain entry to the TOC. So high in fact, we started four hours late on the first day that was gorgeous waiting for all the people to get through tech. Then we had oil downs from both sportsmen and pros, multiple crashes, problems with the tree, lots of time prepping the track trying to get it to hook then they decided it hooked too much.

People who now say they stayed home in October because of the weather is a copout. That's not the reason for the postponement. Those of us who were there know this. It's what killed the idea of staying another day to finish it - Tuesday and Wednesday WERE complete wash outs. I know, we watched the radar the whole two days going home in the motorhome. IHRA knew this too, that’s why they called the race Monday afternoon and sent us home.

I believe (and it's a good decision, one of the few that came out of this mess) if you didn't suffer with the group in October, didn't make the good faith effort to be there for the first race, why should you get to come back?

If you were there and believe I am wrong, then flame away.

I was not going to comment on this but Beth you and Brandon hit it on the head and are dead on with an egg. I was there even longer than the racers and believe me it was a BAD DREAM. Hope to see all that was there before be able to make it back and GOOD LUCK once again. See ya in tech.

Michael Lyons · 04-21-2010, 09:37 AM

You can still come for the National event on Sat/Sun.. well assuming it doesn't rain and the tracks not death defyin or anything..

Michael Lyons · 04-21-2010, 09:43 AM

p.s. Get well soon Mike Beard, I'll have to remember to stay away from your pits, I'm funny enuf lookin already...

Wade Mahaffey · 04-21-2010, 11:06 AM

I don't have a dog in this fight. But I did have one before, and will soon be there again. I have no problem racing in the IHRA and will be glad to be there. I would like to see these things worked out, as I am headed that way. My point is to follow the rules set forth by the rules makers IHRA,NHRA, etc. The sport evolves and things change from time to time. This requires rule ammendments (new, old, modified, adjusted, thrown out) what ever. Rule changes should occur prior to the game beginning. In extreme situations, rules could be changed during the coarse of the season. If the rules are changed/adjusted during the season, there should be a place where everyone could find them, in order to come up to speed on the changes. NHRA and IHRA have that in place right now! If it's not in the rules anywhere, it should be accepted. If it is in the rules...than enforce it!

As far as expecting some to sit in the bad weather like some of you did is not right. Personally, I would have been there with you, but cannot expect another person to have the same amount of effort as I do. If that was the case I would be mad at most (not all) of the people racing. Just because I build my own car, (chassis, roll cage, suspension, fiberglass body modification, paint, assemble the engine, headers, electrical, plumbing, all fabrication and design) by myself. That my friend is effort...I don't look down on the next guy because he/she can't, of won't put forth that same effort the way I do!

Wade Mahaffey

Beth Denysenko · 04-21-2010, 11:31 AM

A big part of the mess this situation is in is due to the fact that contigency plans were not made in advance, so there weren't "rules" pre-set regarding this, at least none that we were made aware of. When the re-run was announced, at the track, they said the field for the TOC is closed to new entries that day. Those of us who were there knew it before we left the grounds. If you were there for the TOC, you made a time run Monday morning.

Lots of errors were made, and hopefully were learned from so no one has to go through the waste of time and expense again. For racers AND the IHRA. We all paid dearly that weekend.

Josh Peake · 04-21-2010, 09:32 PM

and everyone said "AMEN"!

04-21-2010, 06:39 AM	#21
Beth Denysenko Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 426 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How do you close tech for a race? Often you see posts from not-current-racers getting flamed by people who say "you don't have a dog in this fight, you don't race, your comments don't count." If you weren't there in October and/or weren't ever qualified to enter, why do you care and why are you commenting? It doesn't affect you. Please don't stir up more controversy - this mess doesn't need it. FWIW, I agree with Brandon. If you didn't make the effort - the EXTREMELY long and character building effort to be there through the whole thing, then why should you get the chance to come back? It was not like the whole weekend was a complete rain out. Quite the opposite. I know this because I was there. I believe I was the local reporter in a thread about this . . . . click here to read it. What actually happened is well chronicled with time stamps and everything. We raced every day, quite a bit of the day in fact. For Saturday and Sunday it wasn't rain but cold & wind that made it difficult. This created a track that offered a lot of challenges that took time to work out. We even raced Monday off and on until mid-afternoon. It was not a complete rain out at all. Those of you NOT THERE wouldn’t know that. Turn out was extremely high for the final event to gain entry to the TOC. So high in fact, we started four hours late on the first day that was gorgeous waiting for all the people to get through tech. Then we had oil downs from both sportsmen and pros, multiple crashes, problems with the tree, lots of time prepping the track trying to get it to hook then they decided it hooked too much. People who now say they stayed home in October because of the weather is a copout. That's not the reason for the postponement. Those of us who were there know this. It's what killed the idea of staying another day to finish it - Tuesday and Wednesday WERE complete wash outs. I know, we watched the radar the whole two days going home in the motorhome. IHRA knew this too, that’s why they called the race Monday afternoon and sent us home. I believe (and it's a good decision, one of the few that came out of this mess) if you didn't suffer with the group in October, didn't make the good faith effort to be there for the first race, why should you get to come back? If you were there and believe I am wrong, then flame away. __________________ Beth Denysenko P/SA 330 www.moneymakerracing.net Last edited by Beth Denysenko; 04-21-2010 at 06:49 AM.

04-21-2010, 09:37 AM	#23
Michael Lyons Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Garden City, MI Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How do you close tech for a race? You can still come for the National event on Sat/Sun.. well assuming it doesn't rain and the tracks not death defyin or anything..

04-21-2010, 09:43 AM	#24
Michael Lyons Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Garden City, MI Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How do you close tech for a race? p.s. Get well soon Mike Beard, I'll have to remember to stay away from your pits, I'm funny enuf lookin already...

04-21-2010, 11:06 AM	#25
Wade Mahaffey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 581 Likes: 0 Liked 17 Times in 7 Posts	Re: How do you close tech for a race? I don't have a dog in this fight. But I did have one before, and will soon be there again. I have no problem racing in the IHRA and will be glad to be there. I would like to see these things worked out, as I am headed that way. My point is to follow the rules set forth by the rules makers IHRA,NHRA, etc. The sport evolves and things change from time to time. This requires rule ammendments (new, old, modified, adjusted, thrown out) what ever. Rule changes should occur prior to the game beginning. In extreme situations, rules could be changed during the coarse of the season. If the rules are changed/adjusted during the season, there should be a place where everyone could find them, in order to come up to speed on the changes. NHRA and IHRA have that in place right now! If it's not in the rules anywhere, it should be accepted. If it is in the rules...than enforce it! As far as expecting some to sit in the bad weather like some of you did is not right. Personally, I would have been there with you, but cannot expect another person to have the same amount of effort as I do. If that was the case I would be mad at most (not all) of the people racing. Just because I build my own car, (chassis, roll cage, suspension, fiberglass body modification, paint, assemble the engine, headers, electrical, plumbing, all fabrication and design) by myself. That my friend is effort...I don't look down on the next guy because he/she can't, of won't put forth that same effort the way I do! Wade Mahaffey

04-21-2010, 11:31 AM	#26
Beth Denysenko Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 426 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How do you close tech for a race? A big part of the mess this situation is in is due to the fact that contigency plans were not made in advance, so there weren't "rules" pre-set regarding this, at least none that we were made aware of. When the re-run was announced, at the track, they said the field for the TOC is closed to new entries that day. Those of us who were there knew it before we left the grounds. If you were there for the TOC, you made a time run Monday morning. Lots of errors were made, and hopefully were learned from so no one has to go through the waste of time and expense again. For racers AND the IHRA. We all paid dearly that weekend. __________________ Beth Denysenko P/SA 330 www.moneymakerracing.net

04-21-2010, 09:32 PM	#27
Josh Peake Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 7 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How do you close tech for a race? and everyone said "AMEN"!