2010 CJ Testing Video

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Sharx

Believe me when I say I'm not cracking on all the other things that you guys do to qualify and such but it just kills me when a couple of our local "stock and super stock guys" won't come to the local track cause that's just "bracket" racing. Like it's beneath them.

Then they wonder why they can't drive the big end to save their rear. Sure seems to me that most of the successful stock and super stock racers are darn good bracket racers, and they know when they hit the track all that piston changing and qualifying, weight, nine inch tire and fifteen pages of the rule book don't mean diddly. They are bracket racing. Does anyone have an idea how you get good at bracket racing??? PRACTICE.

As much as this board pisses and moans about the CobraJets and Drag Pack Challengers I can't believe so many know so little about them. Like the C-2 transmission.

Again I have tons of respect for the things you do in stock, but like I said on the track your just another bracket racer with shoe polish. And you guys getting worked up about it proves my point that most wont admit it.

I'll step out of your pool now that I pee'd in it. lol

Sharx, I think if you ask most older, and/or hardcore Class Racers, they'll tell you it's different because of the rules. Yes, on raceday, Super Pro and Super Stock's both use shoe polish (except for the rare heads-up run). I think the attraction of S/SS over a regular bracket car is the challenge of making a car run as fast as possible within a fairly restrictive set of rules. I'll give you an example, from my dad. As a longtime fan, he always loved Class Racing. When bracket racing took off in the 1980's, he went to our local track (Quaker City) in Ohio. He couldn't understand how a '67 Camaro, with a 454, tunnel ram, Dart-type heads Dominator, and gutted interior/engine compartment ran 10.70's, while the Ciccerrone Brothers SS/D 427/425 '69 Camaro, which weighed more, and had inferior engine parts could run in the 9's. For all the "stuff" that a comparable bracket car had over a Super Stock, it was eight tenths slower, and didn't seem too interesting to him, being a made-up, thrown-together car with better stuff and was slow. I have bracket raced my Stocker locally, and had no problem doing so, the seat time is a huge benefit. All in all, I prefer running Class-type races. If I "just" wanted to bracket race, I'd buy/build something simple, like a '79 Malbu with a 383 stroker and a 'Glide and run it in Footbrake, for less money, less hassle, etc than a Stocker. I started in brackets in 2000, and never look down on anyone for what they choose to race. Most of us on here prefer the Stock/Super Stock route. By the way, I promote and run a S/SS Association, and the only really enforced rule is "no dialing over the Class Index". No heads-up runs, all dial-in, so it really is a bracket race. I know people who don't run these types of races *because* of it, Why, I don't know. The entry vs payout is better than a Divisional race, with less travel/ less time away from home. I guess we all have our preferances to what we like to do. Just a little explanation of why (most of us) we prefer Stock/Super Stock racing to brackets.

[Sharx]

If I came across as insulting any class racers accomplishments as to what they can get out of a certain combo with all the rules that you have to follow, I didn't mean it that way. But like you said going down the track it's just bracket racing (except for those heads up runs) Our local track has had a couple Stock Super Stock combos and some of the local racers will come to that. Even though no teardowns, no heads-up runs or anything else, and they act like they are doing something special. That's the part I don't get?

Oh well, long as everyone enjoys what they are doing...

[Harry 6674]

Originally Posted by Sharx

If I came across as insulting any class racers accomplishments as to what they can get out of a certain combo with all the rules that you have to follow, I didn't mean it that way. But like you said going down the track it's just bracket racing (except for those heads up runs) Our local track has had a couple Stock Super Stock combos and some of the local racers will come to that. Even though no teardowns, no heads-up runs or anything else, and they act like they are doing something special. That's the part I don't get?

Oh well, long as everyone enjoys what they are doing...

Its real simple just build one and see how easy it is. Theres a lot more to it than meets the eye. It isn't a cheap class to race in if you want to be one of the fastest in your class. Give it a try,maybe you'll change your mind about stockers.

[Sharx]

I NEVER said any of those things are easy! So don't put those word in my mouth. I said on track you are still bracket racing 99% of the time.

[Floyd Gomez]

Sharx if you look at how the races are run only then you are correct. It is like a bracketrace. However the reason it feels special is because we are doing something within a set of rules. It is not like being able to take off parts for weight reduction or buying any aftermarket cam, heads and intake to get better horsepower. The fun is in the challenge. Yes it is more expensive and more of a headache but how many bracket racers you know can run a 9 second pass with a stock 69 Camaro, full interior and stock suspension on 9 inch slicks.

[Sharx]

I have a ton of respect for what the drivers and mechanics can get out of each combination and I can understand the thrill of all those things. But when a class racer can take another driver thru the finish line by three car lengths and never look over. (and I'm not talking about one of the few heads-up runs) The guy or gal is nuts. I have stood at the finish line and watched a BUNCH of class racers do just that. And some of them are the same ones that wouldn't be caught dead at a local bracket race. Because they are class racers! These are the same ones that just bought a six figure race car and a 30k "stock" motor from the guy that can build that combination and then go out and bomb the index ( taking 50 foot of stripe) And I'm supposed to be impressed?

They might as well race wallets.

[Harry 6674]

Originally Posted by Sharx

I have a ton of respect for what the drivers and mechanics can get out of each combination and I can understand the thrill of all those things. But when a class racer can take another driver thru the finish line by three car lengths and never look over. (and I'm not talking about one of the few heads-up runs) The guy or gal is nuts. I have stood at the finish line and watched a BUNCH of class racers do just that. And some of them are the same ones that wouldn't be caught dead at a local bracket race. Because they are class racers! These are the same ones that just bought a six figure race car and a 30k "stock" motor from the guy that can build that combination and then go out and bomb the index ( taking 50 foot of stripe) And I'm supposed to be impressed?

They might as well race wallets.

I think you'll find a lot of class racers at the local bracket races but maybe not in their class cars. A lot of guys have cars built for every weekend type of brackets that they use between class racing. A class car takes a lot of maintenance so sometimes its more cost effective to have a second car. As far as bombing the index goes that is usually an accident unless the car has an R on the window.

[Sharx]

And I bet the ones that do that are the good ones.

[Chris DeGidio]

[QUOTE=
You guys realize ,of course, the 904 3 speed that came in the mail trucks behind the Chevy II 4 cylinder, that actually bolts to a Chevy V-8 ,is not legal in Stock or Super Stock.[/QUOTE]


That same trans was installed in Jeep Cherokeees with the Chebby V-6 too.