Brad Plourd, you were robbed last week!

[HawkBrosMav]

What you fail to grasp is the concept of bracket racing... We will go with the Mike and Dennis race since you brought it up. Each driver dial's his car after making time run's. In super gas this consist of putting a number in a throttle stop timer not changing the number on the side of your car like we would in s/ss. Mike will put a number in the timer in his car to start with the tire and take the strip with his nose (which is 2ft in front of his tire). Dennis will put a number in his timer that will be based off his car leaving with the tire and taking the stripe with the tire. They run the race mike gets to the end parks his nose just in front of Dennis's tire and win's by .00x.

I will now explain why this is not only the correct out come but it will not even change if you lower the beam to make mike take the stripe with his tire. (This is what you seem to be so adamant about doing)

Now that the beam has been lowered to 3". here is how it would go down. Dennis's pass and number in the timer would remain exactly the same as his car would still be leaving and finishing with the tire. Mike on the other hand would now have to put less time in his throttle stop timer to make up the difference in ET from his car taking the stripe with the tire now.

We both agree Mike would have been slower if his car took the stripe with the tire. What you don't seem to be able to understand is that Mike would have KNOWN his car was going to be slow and he would have made the adjustment in the timer before he even staged the car.

After Mike makes this change the race would go just as it did. Mike would still light the win bulb. Absolutely the only difference would be the picture that you keep looking at in technicolor. Mike's nose would now be way ahead of Dennis's lil pickup and Mike's tire would now be the part of his car that was edging Dennis for the stripe by .00x.

I'm not trying to be an asshole I'm just trying to help a fellow racer understand a basic concept of drag racing.

Brad Hawk

[Dice]

brad hawk you are correct. the only thing left to say is congrats. mr Lamb, U R A BAD MAN!!!

[hemidup]

Both cars leave from an even start off the front tires, but one wins with a finish off the nose? Sounds more like a street race to me than a drag race.

[Dinsdale]

Originally Posted by hemidup

Both cars leave from an even start off the front tires, but one wins with a finish off the nose? Sounds more like a street race to me than a drag race.

Exactly.. Taking the stripe with the nose of your car is another example of one person playing the "game" better rather than winning by a performace advantage or a driver doing his job. There are plenty more examples but it's the game playing that the few spectators left don't understand and makes guys like me not interested in running the class.

[Floyd Staggs]

You guy's forget about a pro stock motorcycel race a couple of years ago where the outcome was changed when the camera clearly showed the losers wheel was above the lights at the finish line and he was ahead. They reversed the outcome, gave it to the loser even though the other guy tripped the light.

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by Dinsdale

Exactly.. Taking the stripe with the nose of your car is another example of one person playing the "game" better rather than winning by a performace advantage or a driver doing his job. There are plenty more examples but it's the game playing that the few spectators left don't understand and makes guys like me not interested in running the class.

I would think the biggest most important reason for you to not be interested in running class would be the way out of control HP factoring or the lack of policing cylinder heads in stock and not the 12 -16 inch advantage of a front end taking a stripe. But that is a whole nother topic in a different thread that has been beat to death.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Floyd Staggs

You guy's forget about a pro stock motorcycel race a couple of years ago where the outcome was changed when the camera clearly showed the losers wheel was above the lights at the finish line and he was ahead. They reversed the outcome, gave it to the loser even though the other guy tripped the light.

Thank you Floyd, I saw that race too, and it was as clear as day as these two were.

Now as for you Brad, I completely understand the essence of bracket racing (especially since I've been racing for most of the last 35yrs), but if that were true in the race with Mike & Dennis (your example), then why would Mike tell someone I know that the only reason he won that race was because of his front end, hmmm? Doesn't sound like a comment that would come from someone who was applying your logic of thought to a race to me???

[HawkBrosMav]

This will be my last post on this subject I'm tired of beating my head against a wall. Mike did win on that pass because of his car took stripe with the nose. That's because his setup was to take the stripe with the nose. If you ask Mike about what I'm telling you he will tell you exactly the same thing I am.

Think about this:
You want to change the height of the beams to make all cars take it with the same part of the car...correct?

I don't see any movement of the beam changing anything...you can just think about s/ss when you make a rule like this. It would have to work for every class. I'll run through the pros and con's of 3 levels of the beams...

Move down to 3":
Pro's:
-Most door cars leave with tire and end with tire...

Con's:
-TF and FC pull wheels through lights and don't trip beams.
-All dragster's will still take stripe with their nose....(the nose of a dragster will be under 3" once the rear tires grow to their max diameter at speed)
-Motorcycles and dragsters have a much smaller chance of hitting the stripe beam due to small tire side walls..

Leave at 6":
Pros:
-Its the way it been for years with very few problems.

Cons:
-Some cars will take stripe with tires and some with nose. Drivers must pay attention

Move to 8" or 9":
Pros:
-All dragsters will now take stripe with tires
-Pros will not have to worry about missing beam.

Cons:
-Depending on the length of the nose on each door car all will take stripe with a different point on the car.
-Now when a dragster runs a door car dragster takes stripe with tire and door car takes it with nose.


What are you trying to accomplish?? It seems to me no matter how high you make the beam there will always be problems....

BH

[GarysZ24]

Parity...but I'll agree with you on two things...to disagree, and that I'm done with this thread. You made some valid points...so did Jeff, but I did too, and I have the video tape to prove them. Thanks for a great debate anyway....

[hemidup]

Both drivers leave the light at the same time. The winner takes the win by a nose. Sounds more like the Kentucky Derby than a drag race. .............Jimmy Durante takes the win...." Hot cha cha cha cha"