HOME FORUM RULES CONTACT
     
   
   

Go Back   CLASS RACER FORUM > Class Racer Forums > Stock and Super Stock
Register Photo Gallery FAQ Community Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-10-2010, 07:16 AM   #1
X-TECH MAN
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Lake Placid, Florida
Posts: 3,203
Likes: 1,047
Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts
Talking Re: Attn: NHRA / IHRA Tech .....here we go again ..

Your not going to like this but all of these driver aids are for people who cant drive a nail with a hammer. Michael Beard has it right and several others I know. Before all of this crap came into existence you had to know how to drive to go rounds. It brought the good drivers to the top of the food chain. These are the ones who understood the timming system and how it worked. They studied the track and new how to play the finish line. Gee's some of you guys/gals cant even shift gears on a run without help.

Last edited by X-TECH MAN; 05-10-2010 at 07:34 AM.
X-TECH MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2010, 07:23 AM   #2
Pat6868
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 102
Likes: 6
Liked 88 Times in 28 Posts
Default Re: Attn: NHRA / IHRA Tech .....here we go again ..

X Tech, sounds alot like pure stock to me. Pat
Pat6868 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2010, 08:00 AM   #3
Michael Beard
VIP Member
 
Michael Beard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 4,060
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts
Default Re: Attn: NHRA / IHRA Tech .....here we go again ..

I think a lot of folks look at NOT having driver aids like 2-steps, blinders, automated shifters, etc. as a disadvantage. On the surface, that might seem to make sense, but to me, it's like training wheels on a bike. There's no doubt that training wheels make it easier to ride a bike, and maybe you even need them for a time. But it's a bandaid, in my opinion. By taking the training wheels off, you may struggle a little bit at first, but in the long run, you're going to be MUCH better. I feel there are advantages to NOT having driver aids. You will be more focused, more adaptable, and there are strategic advantages as well (if you see me at the track, feel free to ask). Challenge yourself to be better than you are.

$.02,
__________________
Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS
Michael Beard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2010, 10:30 AM   #4
Rich Biebel
VIP Member
 
Rich Biebel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs
Posts: 2,314
Likes: 25
Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts
Default Re: Attn: NHRA / IHRA Tech .....here we go again ..

[QUOTE=X-TECH MAN;186580]Your not going to like this but all of these driver aids are for people who cant drive a nail with a hammer. QUOTE]


A nail gun drives nails very nicely. You never hit your thumb, or miss the nail and hit the wood and damage it..........


Ask a carpenter if he would rather use a hammer or the proper nailgun.....

I am in the process of doing a lot of home rennovation work and am still working in the dark ages with a hammer.......


PS......I was always a footbreaker in Stock and also in bracket racing long after delay boxes and 2 steps were in use........


Very few people have the ability of someone like Michael Beard.......

I don't think it is good to have just a few people dominate....
__________________
Rich Biebel
S/C 1479
Stock 147R
Rich Biebel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2010, 10:52 AM   #5
X-TECH MAN
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Lake Placid, Florida
Posts: 3,203
Likes: 1,047
Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts
Cool Re: Attn: NHRA / IHRA Tech .....here we go again ..

[QUOTE=Rich Biebel;186611]
Quote:
Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN View Post
Your not going to like this but all of these driver aids are for people who cant drive a nail with a hammer. QUOTE]


A nail gun drives nails very nicely. You never hit your thumb, or miss the nail and hit the wood and damage it..........


Ask a carpenter if he would rather use a hammer or the proper nailgun.....

I am in the process of doing a lot of home rennovation work and am still working in the dark ages with a hammer.......


PS......I was always a footbreaker in Stock and also in bracket racing long after delay boxes and 2 steps were in use........


Very few people have the ability of someone like Michael Beard.......

I don't think it is good to have just a few people dominate....
Most dont study HOW to race. They just throw money at the car. Guys like Michael Beard and the late Bob Maxey (yeah a bracket racer) of the "Clinton Shaker" fame and many more like the late Steve Taylor from N. Carolina learn and work hard at what it takes to win in handicap style racing. They dont rely on band aids.
X-TECH MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2010, 11:13 AM   #6
Rich Biebel
VIP Member
 
Rich Biebel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs
Posts: 2,314
Likes: 25
Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts
Default Re: Attn: NHRA / IHRA Tech .....here we go again ..

Terry....maybe I'm wrong but as I recall Bob Maxey might have had a delay box before they were common......Maybe it was just the typical rumors made up about people that won to much.......He won a lot.....
__________________
Rich Biebel
S/C 1479
Stock 147R
Rich Biebel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2010, 11:46 AM   #7
X-TECH MAN
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Lake Placid, Florida
Posts: 3,203
Likes: 1,047
Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts
Smile Re: Attn: NHRA / IHRA Tech .....here we go again ..

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Biebel View Post
Terry....maybe I'm wrong but as I recall Bob Maxey might have had a delay box before they were common......Maybe it was just the typical rumors made up about people that won to much.......He won a lot.....
It was just a rumor. I lived near him and did his cylinder heads and his customer heads for years. I also helped work on the early station wagons (he won a ton with a 60 Pontiac 389 SD station wagon before any of this stuff was ever thought of) and the Firebird. Also the Pontiac Astre (which was re bodied later) he bought from the late Pete Kost. His cars and engines were as quality built as any class legal car back in those days. He even won an early S/G event at Maple Grove foot braking the car. It barley ran 9.90 flat out at that time. It wasnt until about the last couple of years he raced that he threw in the towel and installed a delay box. He was fighting an up hill battle against the dragsters and other cars that ran them. He was way to stubborn to "Drop Down" or lower himself to race in the the foot brake class to continue racing. I tried to talk him into racing the foot brake catagory but he would have none of it. He was just that good until old age caught up with him. He was one of a few "Pure" drivers I ever knew. A Mike Gilroy (younger in age) from the same area is another pure driver and still races but he to went to a low 7 second dragster with every bell and whistle know to man to stay competitive. A few others have passed on or have gotten to old are still around. The electronics made everyone a good driver.
P.S. the Mike Gilroy I mentioned won one of the last Div. 1 bracket finals at Maple Grove in Super Pro with a 455 Pontiac powered Camaro before the delay boxes came into use.

Last edited by X-TECH MAN; 05-10-2010 at 12:10 PM.
X-TECH MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2010, 02:11 PM   #8
Rich Biebel
VIP Member
 
Rich Biebel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs
Posts: 2,314
Likes: 25
Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts
Default Re: Attn: NHRA / IHRA Tech .....here we go again ..

I was at a number of the Bracket finals races in the early 80's......and also some of the NHRA division races at MG.....

I went down to 7 or 9 cars in Super in '86.....lost to Jack Grater who went on to win........I think....

We totally hijacked this thread.........Sorry to have gotten off topic Mr Bailey.....

Basically I think if you were unhappy with what some racers seemed to be doing you have some options in Stock.......Ask the Tech people to clarify it and if it is illegal ask them to do their job and enforce the rules.......
__________________
Rich Biebel
S/C 1479
Stock 147R
Rich Biebel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2010, 09:21 PM   #9
Don Kennedy
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Near Portland TN
Posts: 1,590
Likes: 3,876
Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts
Default Re: Attn: NHRA / IHRA Tech .....here we go again ..

[QUOTE=X-TECH MAN;186614]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Biebel View Post

Most dont study HOW to race. They just throw money at the car. Guys like Michael Beard and the late Bob Maxey (yeah a bracket racer) of the "Clinton Shaker" fame and many more like the late Steve Taylor from N. Carolina learn and work hard at what it takes to win in handicap style racing. They dont rely on band aids.

wow I did not know you knew what every racer knows about racing LOL . Your the man
__________________
Don Kennedy 7701 SS
Don Kennedy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2010, 09:28 PM   #10
X-TECH MAN
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Lake Placid, Florida
Posts: 3,203
Likes: 1,047
Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts
Thumbs down Re: Attn: NHRA / IHRA Tech .....here we go again ..

[QUOTE=Don Kennedy;186722]
Quote:
Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN View Post


wow I did not know you knew what every racer knows about racing LOL . Your the man
Another smart *****
X-TECH MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright Class Racer.com. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners.