Mid-year horsepower posted @ nhra.com

[Mike Carr]

6 pounds SS/AH and SS/A
6.5 pounds SS/B
7 pounds SS/C
7.5 pounds AA/S = SS/D
8 pounds A/S = SS/E
8.5 pounds B/S = SS/F
10 pounds E/S = SS/I, then S/S becomes one pound classes. 11 = SS/J, 12 = SS/K, etc, down to SS/P = 16.

[Mike Carr]

Michael Beard, if you get some time, can you e-mail me, or post the spreadsheet on like Indexes. I think it could present a lot of issues (example, SS/EM 9.95 and SS/B-BA at 9.90), but would like to check it out. Thanks.

[Hagen Gary]

Some of you rich people make me laugh sometimes... We bairly have any new blood now. Do you think making it harder to win the Grand Prize of $1000 after spending half that just to go racing that weekend is going to help? Lets worry about whats going to keep this show going and not how to make it like it was yesteryear. Get used to it, Things change. Fast cars are not as impressive to a young person now as they were then. A competition involving old muscle cars vs newer american muscle is interesting to watch, but who are yall kiding? Nobody under 30 can afford this, and they have 45 years of bogus combo's to chose from as compaired to 10 back then. Everybody here knows how much it cost to go fast, and if they do it with something bogus, people talk crap about it to everyone who has an internet conection, so Performance loses it luster. It ain't just the economy, This ship is going down because we fail to attrack new blood. Why would anyone in thier right mind invest all this money? They would rather just throw thier money away in a poker tournament. Same man vs man competition, alot worse odds of winning if your an avg player, but at least your not investing $500 to win $1000 if you beat everyone. All those people who don't think low qualifing bracket cars should be racing in your performance based eliminator should thank them for keeping this ship going, or they would have no NHRA class to race in. Heads up is only 5% of the time, but I would take an extra 5% Guaranteed win upgrade. So go fast if you can afford it.

[Rich Aceves]

Alan,
I see no mention of Div.6 or 7 in your plan, I know you guys don't think much of us but a little consideration even if you don't mean it would be nice!

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Rich Aceves

Alan,
I see no mention of Div.6 or 7 in your plan, I know you guys don't think much of us but a little consideration even if you don't mean it would be nice!

Rich, no slight was intended. I picked a region I had some knowledge of as an example, I do not know enough about Division 5, Division 6, and Division 7 to be able to use them as an example.

By all means, take my example and create something for your region with it. I wish you would.

Realize it is hard to get something like that going on a massive scale, such as nationwide. It's nearly impossible to do in a region, to begin with. But it has to start on a regional level first. Your region, my region, anyone's region, so long as it starts.

[Mike Carr]

Alan, I was meaning if one pound classes were in S/S, it would make for a 400-500 pound weight swing (or 800-1000) to switch to two or three classes. If S/S were one pound classes:

SS/A (and SS/AH) = 6.00
SS/B = 7.00
SS/C = 8.00
SS/D = 9.00 and so on

So if a car were to fall into this ''new'', natural SS/C at 8 pounds (something like a 426/425-450 '67 Street Hemi Plymouth), they would have to add/subtract 450 pounds to move to what would be the 'new' SS/B and SS/D classes, or 900 pounds of total adjustable weight, to make all three. That's an awful lot of weight. You would almost have to make a rule that a car can run it's natural class only, in 1 pound classes. So if a 427/425 Camaro has a weight break of, say, 8.53, it could only run the new SS/C(A).

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Alan, I was meaning if one pound classes were in S/S, it would make for a 400-500 pound weight swing (or 800-1000) to switch to two or three classes. If S/S were one pound classes:

SS/A (and SS/AH) = 6.00
SS/B = 7.00
SS/C = 8.00
SS/D = 9.00 and so on

So if a car were to fall into this ''new'', natural SS/C at 8 pounds (something like a 426/425-450 '67 Street Hemi Plymouth), they would have to add/subtract 450 pounds to move to what would be the 'new' SS/B and SS/D classes, or 900 pounds of total adjustable weight, to make all three. That's an awful lot of weight. You would almost have to make a rule that a car can run it's natural class only, in 1 pound classes. So if a 427/425 Camaro has a weight break of, say, 8.53, it could only run the new SS/C(A).

Mike, I understood what you were saying. That's why once I saw people were under the impression I might have meant one pound weight breaks in Super Stock, I posted that I was speaking only about Stock when I suggested one pound weight breaks, and was not suggesting one pound weight breaks in Super Stock.

[Alan Roehrich]

I find it interesting, sad, but interesting, that Billy's point has already been proven here. A few suggestions have been made, and already there are people assuming that anyone with a suggestion is "out to get them, or "out to exclude them", or "out to get rid of them". That is not the case at all. But it sure does show why nothing is done to help class racing.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Some of you rich people make me laugh sometimes... We bairly have any new blood now.

Unless you want to run in the higher classes, you do not need to be rich to be competitive. There are many competitive combinations in both classes.

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Do you think making it harder to win the Grand Prize of $1000 after spending half that just to go racing that weekend is going to help? Lets worry about whats going to keep this show going and not how to make it like it was yesteryear. Get used to it, Things change.

The racer makes this choice.

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Fast cars are not as impressive to a young person now as they were then. A competition involving old muscle cars vs newer american muscle is interesting to watch, but who are yall kiding?

Moreover, what is your point? Fast cars are not impressive to the young ones? There have always been fast cars throughout the years for each applicable era.

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Nobody under 30 can afford this, and they have 45 years of bogus combo's to chose from as compaired to 10 back then.

Many started in the sport at an early age. What is your premise to say that people under 30 years cannot afford to race? Yes, 45 years of car options is called diversity and not all are bogus.

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Everybody here knows how much it cost to go fast, and if they do it with something bogus, people talk crap about it to everyone who has an internet conection, so Performance loses it luster.

Since day one, there has always been controversy when someone goes fast. Yes, there are bogus combinations and they seem to have started to appear since Farmer Dismuke and Dave Danish left NHRA.

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

It ain't just the economy, This ship is going down because we fail to attrack new blood. Why would anyone in thier right mind invest all this money? They would rather just throw thier money away in a poker tournament. Same man vs man competition, alot worse odds of winning if your an avg player, but at least your not investing $500 to win $1000 if you beat everyone.

Again, the racer makes this choice on how to race and invest his money.

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

All those people who don't think low qualifing bracket cars should be racing in your performance based eliminator should thank them for keeping this ship going, or they would have no NHRA class to race in. Heads up is only 5% of the time, but I would take an extra 5% Guaranteed win upgrade. So go fast if you can afford it.

Stock and Super Stock classes, since their creation, are performance based and are the foundation for creativity, research and development. How do you classify a bracket car that does not meet a specification sheet? It is interesting when I see a bracket car with a big cubic inch engine, that will only go in the 11’s and when they see a low class stocker run fast than they do with mostly OEM parts, they go into shock. Finally, good racers pick combinations that are competitive and they do not always have to go fast.

[Hagen Gary]

SSdiv6, It seems as though you misinterpreted everything I said. Do me a favor and reread the post and see if you can get my point. If we need to fix s/ss, the only way to start is by fixing the cost vs. reward. It aint going to last long if we don't.