How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St

BKSG1198 · 08-18-2010, 06:51 AM

I think all the throttle stop BS has ruined these classes. Take it from someone who has one of the slowest S/G cars in the US (112mph on the stop) but, even if we lowered the index and made the cars run a certain type of stop it will never draw the fans back. People are sooo brain washed with the NHRA coverage on ESPN and what "John Force is going to do next or what do the Forces do at the beach" that when the Pro's are done everyone wants to get to the pits to see if they can get their 15 minutes of fame on TV and go meet the drivers. Now I bet if NHRA does what NASCAR does and closes the pits down to the public and you have a pass to get in you might draw some more fans in the stands. I hate to say it but, this is for most if not all of the classes. I've brought friends to Divisional events and tried explaining Stk/SS to them and they basically tell me "That's too much thinking to do with this car runs this class cause of how it weighs and the cubic inc of the motor and what type of index it should run". I mean even Comp my friends have a hard time understanding but, of course they LOVE T/S cause of the type of cars that run it and how fast they go. We have to come to realize that we are the "Fill In's" at these events to help the Pro's get ready for the next round the only people who really care about us are people who used to drive or drive a S/G or Stock or Super Stk cars cause they can relate to it. Trust me I love watching Super Stk and Stk and I don't go hide once I'm done my S/G run. I just think we have to realize where we stand and not much can fix it cause as you say sponsors will lose money and the fans that did love watching us have moved on.

danny waters sr · 08-18-2010, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BKSG1198

I think all the throttle stop BS has ruined these classes. Take it from someone who has one of the slowest S/G cars in the US (112mph on the stop) but, even if we lowered the index and made the cars run a certain type of stop it will never draw the fans back. People are sooo brain washed with the NHRA coverage on ESPN and what "John Force is going to do next or what do the Forces do at the beach" that when the Pro's are done everyone wants to get to the pits to see if they can get their 15 minutes of fame on TV and go meet the drivers. Now I bet if NHRA does what NASCAR does and closes the pits down to the public and you have a pass to get in you might draw some more fans in the stands. I hate to say it but, this is for most if not all of the classes. I've brought friends to Divisional events and tried explaining Stk/SS to them and they basically tell me "That's too much thinking to do with this car runs this class cause of how it weighs and the cubic inc of the motor and what type of index it should run". I mean even Comp my friends have a hard time understanding but, of course they LOVE T/S cause of the type of cars that run it and how fast they go. We have to come to realize that we are the "Fill In's" at these events to help the Pro's get ready for the next round the only people who really care about us are people who used to drive or drive a S/G or Stock or Super Stk cars cause they can relate to it. Trust me I love watching Super Stk and Stk and I don't go hide once I'm done my S/G run. I just think we have to realize where we stand and not much can fix it cause as you say sponsors will lose money and the fans that did love watching us have moved on.

Drawing people in the stands is not the whole idea , getting them in the GATE is the ($$$) idea.

CBS · 08-18-2010, 08:43 AM

Ok guys.....this thread belongs in the 8.90-9.90 section...but..as you have stated....it is not a fan attraction....but trust me it's still a great class(8.90 or 9.90) to race....and the most heavily attended....so the people complaining aren't really the racers.....Don't get me wrong...I really like this super stock thing....but I still enjoy racing 9.90....it's fast ....and very competitive....and you can go 135 or 175 and still have a good chance to win...(and you don't have to work nearly as hard as you do in SS..more bs time).....The fans have to have time to buy a t shirt or hot dog anyway...lol..they are going to exit the stands for some class....

The SRAC is meeting about a proposed index change...but I doubt it will pass a vote....personally I don't really care what the index is....it's fine the way it is....but some of the guys look at it as a cost increase to lower the indexes....and we don't want that....

I feel like I can comment on the super class stuff as we have been racing it for a long time.......the Super Stock issues I stay out of until I am a little more of a veteran of the class.....

Don't we have enough issues to talk about in stock and super stock....without getting into 8.90 and 9.90....

What about those damn CJ's.....and the bad people that race them.....lol

Rock Haas
323 SS/DA
302 S/G

JJ3159 · 08-18-2010, 09:17 AM

i got it combine everything and make it a giant bracket race,oh wait they have those.or for stock get rid of everything j and up ,for super stock m and up .who enjoys 13 second class cars.

TCOONLY · 08-18-2010, 09:18 AM

X2 JJ. Cant agree more

Mike Pearson · 08-18-2010, 09:59 AM

put some cubic inch restrictions like S/ST small block max 360 cu in. S/G big block max 440cu in. SC big block max 475 cu in. Might make things a little more interesting and less time on the stop. Drop the indexes .030 like the class cars.

CMcAllister · 08-18-2010, 10:17 AM

Seem like everyone looks down on someone else. The Pros look down at the Sportsmen, NHRA guys look down at IHRA people, class racers look down at bracket racing, car guys look down at bikes, most people look down at sport compacts and everybody thinks the .90 classes suck. I may not pay any attention to or care about some of these options, but I'm glad they exist to help pay the bills, keep tracks, parts manufactures and sponsors in business and give a wider audience a reason to go drag racing.

I like class racing for what it is, a challenging, performance based eliminator with specific rules and limitations and I would like to do that "someday"..

The .90 class racers have a different objective. Run the number regardless the air, the track, the horsepower, etc. It is also challenging and much more difficult to adjust the car than the number on the window. Many prefer the pro tree/heads up style of racing. We all like to run heads up, don't we? Not many can afford to run the "big" pro tree classes though.

There are as many ways to utilize the hated throttle stop as there are racers and at this point, I don't know how you take them off without eliminating the classes all together. If there were a better way, someone would have already done it and made a pile of money.

Ed Fernandez · 08-18-2010, 10:06 AM

who enjoys 13 second class cars.[/QUOTE]

I do.

Robert Simpson · 08-18-2010, 10:20 AM

I think you should be able to build what ever and go how ever fast you want. But, I would like to see throttle stops only being used at the top end. I would like to see 2 cars leave as hard as they can, and run hard, then have a stop slow them down. There are no grandstands and the top end of most tracks. It would be safer (lower speeds), less chance of jamming on brakes at 175mph plus. Plus, the people in the stands could better understand it. These classes have the largest population of racers with cars that are second to none. Ask the racers if they want to move the indexes. But, with moving the indexes would it requires a safety change? More safety equipment (due to the et)? Just a thought on a good subject. Also, random pairing for all super classes until say quarter finals. That would help the program run smoother. I have paired up 50+ S/C cars at Orlando before and that takes a while!!

Mike Gray · 08-18-2010, 10:57 AM

I started out in SST then SG, as everone went to a throttle stop so did I, that's when I realized I didn't like it any more. (Now I'm building a stocker) My suggestion is to dump the throttle stops and change the classes to A/G B/G and C/G like the Goodguys (now Heritage Series) much more fun to watch.

08-18-2010, 06:51 AM	#1
BKSG1198 VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vineland, NJ Posts: 2,630 Likes: 96 Liked 1,284 Times in 393 Posts	Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St I think all the throttle stop BS has ruined these classes. Take it from someone who has one of the slowest S/G cars in the US (112mph on the stop) but, even if we lowered the index and made the cars run a certain type of stop it will never draw the fans back. People are sooo brain washed with the NHRA coverage on ESPN and what "John Force is going to do next or what do the Forces do at the beach" that when the Pro's are done everyone wants to get to the pits to see if they can get their 15 minutes of fame on TV and go meet the drivers. Now I bet if NHRA does what NASCAR does and closes the pits down to the public and you have a pass to get in you might draw some more fans in the stands. I hate to say it but, this is for most if not all of the classes. I've brought friends to Divisional events and tried explaining Stk/SS to them and they basically tell me "That's too much thinking to do with this car runs this class cause of how it weighs and the cubic inc of the motor and what type of index it should run". I mean even Comp my friends have a hard time understanding but, of course they LOVE T/S cause of the type of cars that run it and how fast they go. We have to come to realize that we are the "Fill In's" at these events to help the Pro's get ready for the next round the only people who really care about us are people who used to drive or drive a S/G or Stock or Super Stk cars cause they can relate to it. Trust me I love watching Super Stk and Stk and I don't go hide once I'm done my S/G run. I just think we have to realize where we stand and not much can fix it cause as you say sponsors will lose money and the fans that did love watching us have moved on.

08-18-2010, 08:43 AM	#3
CBS VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Commerce, Mi Posts: 1,387 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St Ok guys.....this thread belongs in the 8.90-9.90 section...but..as you have stated....it is not a fan attraction....but trust me it's still a great class(8.90 or 9.90) to race....and the most heavily attended....so the people complaining aren't really the racers.....Don't get me wrong...I really like this super stock thing....but I still enjoy racing 9.90....it's fast ....and very competitive....and you can go 135 or 175 and still have a good chance to win...(and you don't have to work nearly as hard as you do in SS..more bs time).....The fans have to have time to buy a t shirt or hot dog anyway...lol..they are going to exit the stands for some class.... The SRAC is meeting about a proposed index change...but I doubt it will pass a vote....personally I don't really care what the index is....it's fine the way it is....but some of the guys look at it as a cost increase to lower the indexes....and we don't want that.... I feel like I can comment on the super class stuff as we have been racing it for a long time.......the Super Stock issues I stay out of until I am a little more of a veteran of the class..... Don't we have enough issues to talk about in stock and super stock....without getting into 8.90 and 9.90.... What about those damn CJ's.....and the bad people that race them.....lol Rock Haas 323 SS/DA 302 S/G

08-18-2010, 09:17 AM	#4
JJ3159 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: WEST SENECA N.Y. Posts: 140 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St i got it combine everything and make it a giant bracket race,oh wait they have those.or for stock get rid of everything j and up ,for super stock m and up .who enjoys 13 second class cars. __________________ jj h/r 1399 s/r 1399 s/g 1399

08-18-2010, 09:18 AM	#5
TCOONLY Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St X2 JJ. Cant agree more __________________ Tom Coonly 1211 HR

08-18-2010, 09:59 AM	#6
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,451 Likes: 615 Liked 1,937 Times in 582 Posts	Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St put some cubic inch restrictions like S/ST small block max 360 cu in. S/G big block max 440cu in. SC big block max 475 cu in. Might make things a little more interesting and less time on the stop. Drop the indexes .030 like the class cars. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

08-18-2010, 10:17 AM	#7
CMcAllister Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Fulton County, PA Posts: 615 Likes: 17 Liked 920 Times in 259 Posts	Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St Seem like everyone looks down on someone else. The Pros look down at the Sportsmen, NHRA guys look down at IHRA people, class racers look down at bracket racing, car guys look down at bikes, most people look down at sport compacts and everybody thinks the .90 classes suck. I may not pay any attention to or care about some of these options, but I'm glad they exist to help pay the bills, keep tracks, parts manufactures and sponsors in business and give a wider audience a reason to go drag racing. I like class racing for what it is, a challenging, performance based eliminator with specific rules and limitations and I would like to do that "someday".. The .90 class racers have a different objective. Run the number regardless the air, the track, the horsepower, etc. It is also challenging and much more difficult to adjust the car than the number on the window. Many prefer the pro tree/heads up style of racing. We all like to run heads up, don't we? Not many can afford to run the "big" pro tree classes though. There are as many ways to utilize the hated throttle stop as there are racers and at this point, I don't know how you take them off without eliminating the classes all together. If there were a better way, someone would have already done it and made a pile of money.

08-18-2010, 10:06 AM	#8
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St who enjoys 13 second class cars.[/QUOTE] I do. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

08-18-2010, 10:20 AM	#9
Robert Simpson Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 808 Likes: 7 Liked 20 Times in 12 Posts	Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St I think you should be able to build what ever and go how ever fast you want. But, I would like to see throttle stops only being used at the top end. I would like to see 2 cars leave as hard as they can, and run hard, then have a stop slow them down. There are no grandstands and the top end of most tracks. It would be safer (lower speeds), less chance of jamming on brakes at 175mph plus. Plus, the people in the stands could better understand it. These classes have the largest population of racers with cars that are second to none. Ask the racers if they want to move the indexes. But, with moving the indexes would it requires a safety change? More safety equipment (due to the et)? Just a thought on a good subject. Also, random pairing for all super classes until say quarter finals. That would help the program run smoother. I have paired up 50+ S/C cars at Orlando before and that takes a while!!

08-18-2010, 10:57 AM	#10
Mike Gray Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 618 Likes: 312 Liked 689 Times in 198 Posts	Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St I started out in SST then SG, as everone went to a throttle stop so did I, that's when I realized I didn't like it any more. (Now I'm building a stocker) My suggestion is to dump the throttle stops and change the classes to A/G B/G and C/G like the Goodguys (now Heritage Series) much more fun to watch.