Congrats to Charles Blossom

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Bill -

It's not so much that Charles Blossom is a super engine builder as it is that he uncovered a combination that is woefully misfactored. It's the same as the performance level of the new factory race cars. The people who own them are not the sole secret to their performance; it's the inaccuracy of the power factors assigned that make their performance level so far outside the normal range of the classes they participate in. Charles's little display here points to the chink in the covering and gives rise to imaginations of many similar jewels in the classification guides to be exploited. Hopefully, NHRA or somebody can get outside the AFHS to correct some of these combinations that make a mockery of the illusion of head-to-head competition.

Dwight -- Mockery ?? Maybe but i'm OK with it -- he found it and I didn't -- wish I did -- it was there for anyone to find and run and he had big enough kahoonas to spend his money and build it .Good for him ! !

Billy -- Amen ? You've spent your entire racing career looking for a combo this good .......

Mike / Randall -- D/FS -- i'll bet he gets a lot of heads-ups

Ed -- Rumor has it he's building a Nitro R/T for T/SA ...............

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Tom Moock

What year PT cruiser is Charley racing, They didn`t make PT cruiser turbo convertible until 2005. Tom

Wrong They made them in 2004 All convertibles were turbocharged

[bill dedman]

And, shame on me for calling Mr. Blossom's PT Cruiser a Neon... I THINK the Neon's SRT turbo engine is a more powerful version of the OHC Mopar 4-cylinder than what goes (went?) into the PT Cruiser.

Sorry for any confusion....

[art leong]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

And, shame on me for calling Mr. Blossom's PT Cruiser a Neon... I THINK the Neon's SRT turbo engine is a more powerful version of the OHC Mopar 4-cylinder than what goes (went?) into the PT Cruiser.

Sorry for any confusion....

Different intake manifold

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Dwight -- Mockery ?? Maybe but i'm OK with it -- he found it and I didn't -- wish I did -- it was there for anyone to find and run and he had big enough kahoonas to spend his money and build it .Good for him ! !

Billy -- Amen ? You've spent your entire racing career looking for a combo this good .......

Mike / Randall -- D/FS -- i'll bet he gets a lot of heads-ups

Ed -- Rumor has it he's building a Nitro R/T for T/SA ...............

Jack. Billy knew all about it, trust me.

[Ed Fernandez]

Still doesn't make it right that the Blind Mice in Glendora let runaway combos like this keep making a sham of "their" AHFS.
Remember when you're GTO was the hot lick in E?I guess the DP's took care of that.
And I hold no ill will towards Charlie Blossom,or Bob Shaw,they used what was there in black and white.

[bill dedman]

Is there a full moon? For once, Ed and I are in total agreement on this one...

[Dwight Southerland]

[QUOTE=Jack Matyas;207711]Dwight -- Mockery ?? Maybe but i'm OK with it -- he found it and I didn't -- wish I did -- it was there for anyone to find and run and he had big enough kahoonas to spend his money and build it .Good for him ! !
/QUOTE]
Maybe you missed the gist of my comment, Jack. It was not directed toward Charles or his work to find the combination; it was directed to NHRA and the way they have selected to deal with power factoring. They have attempted to take human judgment (and responsibility) out of the method and so they do not personally engage the process. You and I have seen the time when Farmer would have walked into the pits and changed classes for such a performance. NHRA's claiming that their AHFS is "protecting and insuring" equitable competition is a mockery of their claims to be so dedicated to the preservation of Sportsman racing. Let those other guys in D/FS testify.

In my first post, I alluded to many more such stars in the tech books, and I will applaude anyone who takes the leap to build one of those cars. However, as MLK stated, "Justice to long delayed is justice denied." and the AHFS will do just that. How many years at a 3 1/2% increase per pop will it take to make D/SA (or many others that are being abused by the factory takeover, and including D/FS) a level playing field again?

[art leong]

[QUOTE=Dwight Southerland;207930]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Dwight -- Mockery ?? Maybe but i'm OK with it -- he found it and I didn't -- wish I did -- it was there for anyone to find and run and he had big enough kahoonas to spend his money and build it .Good for him ! !
/QUOTE]
Maybe you missed the gist of my comment, Jack. It was not directed toward Charles or his work to find the combination; it was directed to NHRA and the way they have selected to deal with power factoring. They have attempted to take human judgment (and responsibility) out of the method and so they do not personally engage the process. You and I have seen the time when Farmer would have walked into the pits and changed classes for such a performance. NHRA's claiming that their AHFS is "protecting and insuring" equitable competition is a mockery of their claims to be so dedicated to the preservation of Sportsman racing. Let those other guys in D/FS testify.

In my first post, I alluded to many more such stars in the tech books, and I will applaude anyone who takes the leap to build one of those cars. However, as MLK stated, "Justice to long delayed is justice denied." and the AHFS will do just that. How many years at a 3 1/2% increase per pop will it take to make D/SA (or many others that are being abused by the factory takeover, and including D/FS) a level playing field again?

Dwight. While I agree with you about most of the old days guys using common sense.
There was some vindictiveness used back then. Remember when pro stock had engine advantages, wheelbase advantages, Etc. Jenkins had a crying towel that would put most street racers to shame
And do you really want the "twits" in Glendora deciding things from their vast experience in stock and superstock.
I'd like to see the AHFS changed a bit to include corrected altitude. And any car that gets an instant hit should be torn down.
But it's better than the "dart board" method

[bill dedman]

I don't disgree with any of what I see here, but I think there's a tendency toward making this problem with superior performances from turbocharged cars more complicated that it is.

My opinion, for what it's worth, (and that may not be much, admittedly) is that increased boost levels are the culprit at ANY altitude, and they can be monitored and controlled through the use of an NHRA-mandated TELLTALE boost gauge. All NHRA tech needs, is information from the car manufacturer as to what boost was present when the engine was dyno-tested for factory rating, and when the car comes in after a qualifying run or a run in competition for his weight/fuel check, the NHRA tech looks at the telltale needle to see if the amount of boost exceeds the mandated limit. If it does, the car can't compete and that run is scrubbed.

This is not my idea.... I have read online, that Subaru sponsors a road race series that uses an onboard telltale boost gauge on ALL the cars (they're all turbocharged) in competition ffor monitoring boost levels.

This does nothing at all for the DP/Mustang problem, but one thing at a time....

Thanks for listening.