how to deal with the DP/CJ cars......

[Jim Wahl]

Do it now! Jim

[John Leichtamer Jr]

nhra will do what they think is rite
not what we think is rite.

Hammer

[cutta]

I like option number 2 for AA-B/SA

But we do have a situation to deal with though. The 6.1 challengers are much closer to where they should be factor wise than the other DP/CJ combos out there.

Immediate HP adjustment for the 5.7, 5.9, and all Mustang blower cars must be done in order for option 2 to work properly.


There aren't any stock AA cars that can run with the AA CJ's. Not even the DP's can run that fast. The only thing you could get that fast would be possibly the 68 Darts/Cudas or 69 Vette.

[Sean Cour]

Some of you guys that are on the band wagon for new classes....can't even run within two dimes of the same class car, same combination, as the fast guys. Tweak and maximize your stuff before worrying about everybody else.
Yes, the factors are screwed up....absolutely! But some of you aren't even close with some of your own combos. Just my opinion.....and whaaaah...if you don't like it!

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

Some of you guys that are on the band wagon for new classes....can't even run within two dimes of the same class car, same combination, as the fast guys. Tweak and maximize your stuff before worrying about everybody else.
Yes, the factors are screwed up....absolutely! But some of you aren't even close with some of your own combos. Just my opinion.....and whaaaah...if you don't like it!

Sean, you're basically saying that the only people with a right to not like this are the fastest few in a class? that's like saying that only the wealthiest have the right to complain about a tax hike. Sure we're not one of the fastest A-AA cars out there (but no one else runs our same combo). Why in the hell should I go spend whatever it takes to find a few .10's when its not going to get me within .4 of the CJ's? We are constantly trying to go faster, and recently have had the reliability to test more and finally start learing what this thing wants, but the economy hasn't helped much lately. That's great, but there is no amount of money, or time, or effort that will make our combo (or any other for that matter) run with these factory cars, and they're just getting started. Hell a good running SS 427/425 may have a hard time with a new CJ heads up.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Sean, you're basically saying that the only people with a right to not like this are the fastest few in a class? that's like saying that only the wealthiest have the right to complain about a tax hike. Sure we're not one of the fastest A-AA cars out there (but no one else runs our same combo). Why in the hell should I go spend whatever it takes to find a few .10's when its not going to get me within .4 of the CJ's? We are constantly trying to go faster, and recently have had the reliability to test more and finally start learing what this thing wants, but the economy hasn't helped much lately. That's great, but there is no amount of money, or time, or effort that will make our combo (or any other for that matter) run with these factory cars, and they're just getting started. Hell a good running SS 427/425 may have a hard time with a new CJ heads up.

You obviously didn't read my post all the way. I didn't bring up anything about the wealthy or the have not's. In a eliminator where everyone has the right to run whatever they want.....this is not the minorities fault that the majority cannot compete. It's NHRA's fault for screwing the majority right out of a competitive combo. But Chad, you answered your own question, why is it the minorities fault that your combo isn't the best it can be? I've seen Joe Sorensen's car outrun a Drag Pak in a headsup race with his spare stuff. If a person hasn't maximized his own equipment to be able to run with some Of the same "old stuff," then why should that competitor have a say in what to do with the new stuff.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

I've seen Joe Sorensen's car outrun a Drag Pak in a headsup race with his spare stuff.

If you're talking about the race with Gaynor, word is that Gaynor spun, it was probably even posted here.

I have all the respect in the world for the Sorensons, and for DeArmond & McGlasson. But I'm not convinced that either of them can run 9.70 at B weight in 1000' air. I've seen a DP car get into the nine-seventies in 1000' of air in A, in bracket mode, with a lazy 60' time.

[FINESPLINE]

Sean, Your point is well taken , unfortunately the way the system is today --your only looking to run under the index far enough to qualify and then the bracket racing begins. Once in a awhile you run into a hitter in the class and go home early. Although it is a competitive sport a lot of gentlemen are not going to lose their house if they don"t cash. We all know the insanity of the investment. I don't believe the crying is for any individual but for what the nhra has done to the CLASS as a whole. Just my 2 cents----------John

[Dale Shannon]

Chad has the best idea, but don't stop there STREAMLINE the classes you run now 1 motor 1 body. A 396 camaro runs B, 428 cj runs B, a 351 ford mustang runs F a 350 camaro runs F ect. ect. ajust weight to only get to min. of the 1class. Think of what class at indy would be to watch then. just my 2 cents
Dale

[Mark Faul]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

Some of you guys that are on the band wagon for new classes....can't even run within two dimes of the same class car, same combination, as the fast guys. Tweak and maximize your stuff before worrying about everybody else.
Yes, the factors are screwed up....absolutely! But some of you aren't even close with some of your own combos. Just my opinion.....and whaaaah...if you don't like it!

Sean, maybe you need to look at it from the other side of the fence too. Your 96 Camaro was one of the fastest E/SA cars in the country when you had it. Compared to all the combos. You set the record at 10.70ish years ago. Would be in D now at roughly the same weight. Let's be generous and give you .3 for finding more hp and other tweaks. So let's say you can go 10.40 in good air. Go to Indy and lose .1 minimum, so you could go 10.50 theoretically if you still had the car, which would be a great run!

BUT, you'd be a whole bulb behind Irvin Johns!!!

Not whining, just a little perspective. I know I can't run with anyone! *