Congrats to Charles Blossom

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

In todays world probably not.Someone would cry "profiling".But in light of his previous
combo,don't you think NHRA would be a bit curious about such an odd ball combo?
It all comes back to them not wanting to do their job and make hp ratings somewhat
close to reality.

OK Ed -- Entertain us -- if you were the "Head Honcho" in the NHRA Tech Dept and this combo came across your desk - what's your next move ? Remember , just because his last combo may have been killer should you punish him from the Git-Go ?

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

OK Ed -- Entertain us -- if you were the "Head Honcho" in the NHRA Tech Dept and this combo came across your desk - what's your next move ? Remember , just because his last combo may have been killer should you punish him from the Git-Go ?

Nothing.Until he goes STUPID fast.Then the WHOLE drive train gets torn and measured,weighed and analyzed.Next,I'm sure NHRA can find,hire,whatever,someone with knowledge AND common sense to hit the combo with the appropriate HP.After that they follow his runs and see if the HP was appropriate,by checking ET/MPH.Not easy to do but better than doing what they're doing now.
This might make your GTO competitive again with the run away trains called DPs.
Is that entertaining enough?
And the idea of putting these new rockets in some sort of FX classes would go a long ways towards making heads up races more competitive.
Not a direct comparison but look at the Hemi Shootout.I'm not saying Wescott's stuff is bogus but he had over .10 on the field.Most qualified around 8.60-8.65.
If they didn't break their stuff it probably would have been a runaway.Instead it was one of the most enjoyable Shootouts ever.A lot of close races.
Do the same with these new cars in stock and I think you will see the same result.
Jack,in light of your ties to the people in Glendora we'll never agree on a fix,you have your position and I have mine.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Nothing.Until he goes STUPID fast.Then the WHOLE drive train gets torn and measured,weighed and analyzed.Next,I'm sure NHRA can find,hire,whatever,someone with knowledge AND common sense to hit the combo with the appropriate HP.After that they follow his runs and see if the HP was appropriate,by checking ET/MPH.Not easy to do but better than doing what they're doing now.

Ed -- The actions you suggest -- well they are exactly what we had before the AHFS --- committee and all it just didn't work because of the human factor -- whatever we end up with it must be mathmatics and performance based only - because math has no feelings ..............and you may talk about "ties" all you want but i've never been accused of being biased .Ever ...........And Ed -- here's the thing - folks like us who care deeply about what goes on must continue to toss ideas around in order to someday have the problem solved .

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Ed -- The actions you suggest -- well they are exactly what we had before the AHFS --- committee and all it just didn't work because of the human factor -- whatever we end up with it must be mathmatics and performance based only - because math has no feelings ..............and you may talk about "ties" all you want but i've never been accused of being biased .Ever ...........And Ed -- here's the thing - folks like us who care deeply about what goes on must continue to toss ideas around in order to someday have the problem solved .

The mathematical equations they're using now don't work.The system is broken.
I mention the ties because you were dismayed about my comments about the current
director of competition,who you said was associated with you for 40 years.That's fine.But it still doesn't take away from the fact that his,and the others in Glendora,are so far from solving the problems with S/SS in particular and the organization general,that a clean sweep is the only way to save NHRA.The old regime should go into high cost retirement.
As far as disagreeing,the forum is a good place to get these problems straightened out,
if everyone would put hidden agendas aside.
Jack we can still disagree,I still love ya.:>):>)

[bill dedman]

I humbly relinquish my former position as "KING OF THE THREAD HIJACKERS" to the people trying to solve the "New Car Crisis." There's not a lot of progress being made, but it sure is entertaining!!!

Keep on keepin' on!

[Scott North]

Some of you guys may remember me, most of you won't...

I haven't made a pass in Stock Eliminator in 7 or 8 years, but when I did, I was usually banging my index like a screen door in a hurricane. ie: I've essentially been in Charles Blossom's shoes... I ran a turbo car in the old AF/SA, and BF/SA class, before they combined, and redistributed. I ran as high as Bandimere, and as low as Topeka.

Here are a couple of things I would consider, based on past experience, if it were me...

A) Boost gauges read differently depending on what altitude you're running at. As such, a tell-tale boost gauge doesn't (in my opinion) reach the desired goal - a level playing field. It may DQ a perfectly untouched boost level depending on weather/altitude conditions. It also may allow an advantage under other weather/altitude conditions.

B) Factory turbochargers that pass tech are not an unlimited source of horsepower. They have a limit to their ability just like a naturally aspirated combination. That limitation has an unusual effect that some of you may not be aware of... If you are pushing a turbo to the edge of its efficiency range it essentially becomes like a naturally aspirated combination when at altitude. Correction factors are surprisingly accurate.

If a level playing field is the ultimate goal, the turbo cars need to be able to push the edge of performance the same way the naturally aspirated combos can. Limiting the amount of boost they run, sets up a whole new set of problems. If you allow the turbo car people to max out that turbo under all altitude conditions, you can now confidently factor it just like any other car. If you can factor it like any other combination, it makes putting it in the right class much easier. AHFS flaws aside, as that's a completely different ball of wax, that my opinion won't matter much on...

For anyone that cares, I may make a comeback with the old Buick someday soon. It's sitting out in the shop looking strikingly similar to the last time it was out.

[Jimi B]

One other thing guys. Boost means nothing to power. Airflow does. Boost is not a measurement of airflow. Its a measurement of restriction in the intake system. You take a set up and leave the boost controller alone, and change other parameters that will increase airflow and the boost level will be lower. Add lift and or duration the boost will be lower. Add overlap the boost will be lower. Make the ports larger(obviously not allowed in stock) the boost will be lower.