Lack of integrity

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by art leong

No FWD. The FWD cars have only bothered the fringe villagers

I thought for a moment that were joking about something that impacted your class. And since it doesn't, you can sit from your remote location and be a spectator and occasional commentator to this blood sport that nhra has created.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

I thought for a moment that were joking about something that impacted your class. And since it doesn't, you can sit from your remote location and be a spectator and occasional commentator to this blood sport that nhra has created.

My class has been impacted. Can you remember the Artie Leong Factor?
153 horsepower gets hit 13 horsepower in one shot. Take a calculator and put those numbers in. And see where it meets the AHFS.
Everyone else gets 3.25% I get 8+ all at once. And very very few of the "villagers" spoke up on my account.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by art leong

My class has been impacted. Can you remember the Artie Leong Factor?
153 horsepower gets hit 13 horsepower in one shot. Take a calculator and put those numbers in. And see where it meets the AHFS.
Everyone else gets 3.25% I get 8+ all at once. And very very few of the "villagers" spoke up on my account.

Your class has not been impacted by the DP's. That was your joke right? A lot of us have been hammered illegally by these nhra clowns but that still doesn't have anything to do with these new cars.

But all of this talk about villagers has given me an idea for a racers' poll.

Also where is the auto sport media while all this BS is taking place? I think I have the answer. They are counting advertising dollars and giving the OEMs and nhra a free pass.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Your class has not been impacted by the DP's. That was your joke right? A lot of us have been hammered illegally by these nhra clowns but that still doesn't have anything to do with these new cars.

My comment was joking about the uproar these cars have caused.
Okay how many others that aren't effected are on the bandwagon? Holding pitchforks and torches? I guess they shouldn't comment either.
Opinions are like a body part we all have.

[Bruce Noland]

Everybody can voice their own opinion!

These new cars affect every class from AA to J - stick and automatic. Making fun of folks who have worked hard on their combinations isn't funny; especially from a racer who is immune to the new cars. And that is my opinion.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Everybody can voice their own opinion!

These new cars affect every class from AA to J - stick and automatic. Making fun of folks who have worked hard on their combinations isn't funny; especially from a racer who is immune to the new cars. And that is my opinion.

I have raced stock eliminator cars since the mid 70's. Back then I was envious of the numerous mid class stockers that could buy a new Firebird, GTO, Ventura, Olds or Buick station wagon, Etc. Never even change a spark plug on it and go set records.
While we worked hard to get our car to work. We could have gone out and bought one of them, but we couldn't afford it.
But the big difference if I complained noboby would hear me. So we worked hard and persevered.
The one difference is those cars were able to be registered. The reason the cars of today are not is the C.A.F.E. regs and liability. Otherwise the factory could slap a vin number on them.
I wouldn't beat the vin number drum to loud because there are numerous cars out there that the vin will not match the class the car runs in.

[Bruce Noland]

Art,
When it comes to corporate philosophy. The whole world has moved on from the 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's - except for nhra. It is still trying to run this tired old game with the rules and the OEM's, but it won't work in the 2010's. People and technology have become too sophisticated to allow these tactics to continue. People have grown weary because of these money grubbing games. Things will change.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by art leong

The one difference is those cars were able to be registered. The reason the cars of today are not is the C.A.F.E. regs and liability. Otherwise the factory could slap a vin number on them.

Art, that loophole is big enough to drive a Pro Mod through. Seriously, with that one loophole, an OEM has damned near free reign to do practically anything they want to. It's a loophole that Stock and Super Stock cannot afford to have open. Not in today's world of corporate America. We've already had a taste.

Right now, there's very little stopping the OEM's from having their way. When you have "write your own specs, write your own HP rating, and it doesn't have to meet any production standard, so long as you also write a check", you have an avenue for the OEM's to get absolute pure race cars and race engines in the guide that no one ever even dreamed of, all the way back to the days of real showroom muscle cars.

No, this is not a return to the "good old days" of the "factory muscle car", this is a trip to the new era of corporate America, where anything goes. It's not something that class racing can afford, and maybe not something class racing can survive.