3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face

Mark Yacavone · 09-08-2010, 12:16 AM

Yep, No doubt.
You see what they think of 90 % of y'all.
A couple of downloads, a few key strokes ,and they were done this morning before coffee break. They got their pay off. What did YOU get?

No doubt Indy will will fill up again next year, no matter what..

You're gonna have to face it , you're addicted to Wallys....

Alan Roehrich · 09-08-2010, 04:43 AM

I think I'll have some t-shirts made up:

"I ran 1.7 under at Indy and all I got was 3.25%!"

Chad Rhodes · 09-08-2010, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

I think I'll have some t-shirts made up:

"I ran 1.7 under at Indy and all I got was 3.25%!"

or............

New Drag Pack stocker $100k
Trip to Indy $3k

Anihillating every conventional stocker in my class by over half a second, and NHRA laughing all the way to the bank...........................priceless (well the rest of us have to pay the price)

Michael Beard · 09-08-2010, 09:12 AM

They probably didn't think those performances warranted any more, since Indy's a mineshaft...

Well, there ya go.... keep racing with them. Things aren't going to change, because the longer they can keep them underfactored, the more people may give in and "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em." -- when the sales of the cars and engines slow or stop, then they "might" adjust them.

BlueOval Ralph · 09-08-2010, 09:51 AM

Is today April 1st??

Charley Downing · 09-08-2010, 10:25 AM

160 plus stockers and SS at at the 2010 US nationals. Where is that kind of car count in IHRA Mike B? 80% of you bitching don't even race at INDY or with NHRA. Yes HP factors are way out of line right now, but look at how many new cars and people are in S and SS now. S and SS have grown more in the past two years then in the last 10. Something like this is the only way to get new people in our sport. Over time this will be a good thing for our sport.

Dgal · 09-08-2010, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

160 plus stockers and SS at at the 2010 US nationals. Where is that kind of car count in IHRA Mike B? 80% of you bitching don't even race at INDY or with NHRA. Yes HP factors are way out of line right now, but look at how many new cars and people are in S and SS now. S and SS have grown more in the past two years then in the last 10. Something like this is the only way to get new people in our sport. Over time this will be a good thing for our sport.

Just exactly how many new people have the Drag Paks and Cobra Jets accounted for? Pendarvis? Teuton? Holzman? etc.....

I am new to this and I race stock eliminator. I do not race a new Drag Pak or Cobra Jet. I paid a lot of money for myself to get a car that was competitive and had already been factored to death. It was the most economical way for me to participate.

I got a half a year into racing before the Cobra Jets hit, then come the Drag Paks. I am new blood! I am considering selling my stuff and going back to other interests since the NHRA has not held up their end of the deal in honoring the spirit and intent of Stock Eliminator.

IHRA is out of the picture since there aren't enough tracks in my area. Again, I am the new blood and I am leaving (or in the process of it). I really had my hopes up that Indy would wake up the NHRA and they would reclassify the cars into the Factory Experimental class which I think is pretty neat.

For the final time in case someone missed it. I am the future of the NHRA and I am leaving. I won't let the door hit me in the ***.

Don

BlueOval Ralph · 09-08-2010, 10:39 AM

Go back and look car counts have been down at National Events and Points meets last year and this!! Div1 has had higher counts than Dive II for some time. Something to think about is alot of the older cars had thier HP ratings adjusted before the .30 was subtracted now do they go back and correct for that mistake. What about the difference in Dyno corrections between the old and new??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

160 plus stockers and SS at at the 2010 US nationals. Where is that kind of car count in IHRA Mike B? 80% of you bitching don't even race at INDY or with NHRA. Yes HP factors are way out of line right now, but look at how many new cars and people are in S and SS now. S and SS have grown more in the past two years then in the last 10. Something like this is the only way to get new people in our sport. Over time this will be a good thing for our sport.

Jason · 09-08-2010, 10:50 AM

Time line - late 1960's......if there was an internet back then it would have gone something like this.

"Everyone with 55-57 Chevy stockers are being run out of business. These new Mustangs and Camaros should be put in a different class. We just cannot compete with those new factory built cars. They need to have horsepower added to them or else I'm going to have to quit racing. NHRA needs to do something before Stock is gone."

Well in 1972 NHRA did do something.

chevy620 · 09-08-2010, 11:01 AM

Having just sold my Stocker, that I ran in NHRA, I think the trend to buying a $100,000.00 Stocker and $100,000+ S/Stocker is only growing the class because the guys with cash are getting into it with the hope of the "collector car" paying off down the road. I didn;t notice many of the "new Stockers" in anything but a Gold Rush or Renegade trailer with a Toter or a $300K pusher pulling them (usually two of them). That's cool, and I can appreciate wealth and it's benefits. I just think it is a shame what it will do to Stock and S/Stock eliminator in the long run.

I really liked the Stock class, the guys who run it and the inventive ways they tried to gain an edge. Now it seems you just get out the checkbook, hope NHRA doesn't really factor you correctly and go beat up on conventional cars in the class.

I feel NHRA is going to have to separate the new generation Stocker from the carbureted Stockers. Just too much computer controlled fuel and timing management for carbs to compete against (not to mention they are WAY OFF on H.P. numbers) Just give the new-gen cars their own set of classes and let them beat each other up in class or during heads-up runs in Eliminations.

Not really any different than the way NHRA has allowed all the "Comp cars" into S/Stock. Hood scoops, tube chassis, sheet metal intakes, $30K small blocks running 8.90s. Are those Cobalts and such REALLY a Super Stock car? Are the conventional Camaro or Mopar S/Stockers really on a level playing field as far as reliability and repeatability with a completely fabricated Super Stock Cobalt?

The latest versions of these 8-second S/Stockers will and are doing to the class what rear engine dragsters did to bracket racing. It is a distinct advantage to "come from behind" and to that end racers will drop $130K to have a better shot at winning that elusive Wally. When the guys who really want to win all get the fastest cars, you will have smaller fields of very similar cars, ala bracket racing. Then the uniqueness of S/Stock starts it's trip down memory lane.

Just my opinion as I sat and watched Stock and S/Stock at Indy. Fun to watch, no doubt, but not headed in any sort of direction that will grow the sport.

Good luck to all of you and I hope you choice of class and car turns into a winning combination for you. I have to admit it was nice to see over 300 cars in Stock and S/Stock at Indy....will be interesting to see if that ever happens again after seeing so many excellent cars go home because the new-gen Fords and Mopars ran all over them in class and qualifying.

Jok
"nuthin' but a dragster driver now"

09-08-2010, 12:16 AM	#1
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,817 Likes: 2,907 Liked 5,125 Times in 1,953 Posts	Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face Yep, No doubt. You see what they think of 90 % of y'all. A couple of downloads, a few key strokes ,and they were done this morning before coffee break. They got their pay off. What did YOU get? No doubt Indy will will fill up again next year, no matter what.. You're gonna have to face it , you're addicted to Wallys.... __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

09-08-2010, 04:43 AM	#2
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,116 Likes: 1,573 Liked 1,831 Times in 415 Posts	Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face I think I'll have some t-shirts made up: "I ran 1.7 under at Indy and all I got was 3.25%!" __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

09-08-2010, 09:12 AM	#4
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face They probably didn't think those performances warranted any more, since Indy's a mineshaft... Well, there ya go.... keep racing with them. Things aren't going to change, because the longer they can keep them underfactored, the more people may give in and "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em." -- when the sales of the cars and engines slow or stop, then they "might" adjust them. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

09-08-2010, 09:51 AM	#5
BlueOval Ralph Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 852 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face Is today April 1st??

09-08-2010, 10:25 AM	#6
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face 160 plus stockers and SS at at the 2010 US nationals. Where is that kind of car count in IHRA Mike B? 80% of you bitching don't even race at INDY or with NHRA. Yes HP factors are way out of line right now, but look at how many new cars and people are in S and SS now. S and SS have grown more in the past two years then in the last 10. Something like this is the only way to get new people in our sport. Over time this will be a good thing for our sport. __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK

09-08-2010, 10:50 AM	#9
Jason Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 235 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face Time line - late 1960's......if there was an internet back then it would have gone something like this. "Everyone with 55-57 Chevy stockers are being run out of business. These new Mustangs and Camaros should be put in a different class. We just cannot compete with those new factory built cars. They need to have horsepower added to them or else I'm going to have to quit racing. NHRA needs to do something before Stock is gone." Well in 1972 NHRA did do something.

09-08-2010, 11:01 AM	#10
chevy620 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 188 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face Having just sold my Stocker, that I ran in NHRA, I think the trend to buying a $100,000.00 Stocker and $100,000+ S/Stocker is only growing the class because the guys with cash are getting into it with the hope of the "collector car" paying off down the road. I didn;t notice many of the "new Stockers" in anything but a Gold Rush or Renegade trailer with a Toter or a $300K pusher pulling them (usually two of them). That's cool, and I can appreciate wealth and it's benefits. I just think it is a shame what it will do to Stock and S/Stock eliminator in the long run. I really liked the Stock class, the guys who run it and the inventive ways they tried to gain an edge. Now it seems you just get out the checkbook, hope NHRA doesn't really factor you correctly and go beat up on conventional cars in the class. I feel NHRA is going to have to separate the new generation Stocker from the carbureted Stockers. Just too much computer controlled fuel and timing management for carbs to compete against (not to mention they are WAY OFF on H.P. numbers) Just give the new-gen cars their own set of classes and let them beat each other up in class or during heads-up runs in Eliminations. Not really any different than the way NHRA has allowed all the "Comp cars" into S/Stock. Hood scoops, tube chassis, sheet metal intakes, $30K small blocks running 8.90s. Are those Cobalts and such REALLY a Super Stock car? Are the conventional Camaro or Mopar S/Stockers really on a level playing field as far as reliability and repeatability with a completely fabricated Super Stock Cobalt? The latest versions of these 8-second S/Stockers will and are doing to the class what rear engine dragsters did to bracket racing. It is a distinct advantage to "come from behind" and to that end racers will drop $130K to have a better shot at winning that elusive Wally. When the guys who really want to win all get the fastest cars, you will have smaller fields of very similar cars, ala bracket racing. Then the uniqueness of S/Stock starts it's trip down memory lane. Just my opinion as I sat and watched Stock and S/Stock at Indy. Fun to watch, no doubt, but not headed in any sort of direction that will grow the sport. Good luck to all of you and I hope you choice of class and car turns into a winning combination for you. I have to admit it was nice to see over 300 cars in Stock and S/Stock at Indy....will be interesting to see if that ever happens again after seeing so many excellent cars go home because the new-gen Fords and Mopars ran all over them in class and qualifying. Jok "nuthin' but a dragster driver now"