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09-08-2010, 11:31 AM
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Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face
>> 160 plus stockers and SS at at the 2010 US nationals. Where is that kind of car count in IHRA Mike B?
There isn't. -=shrug=- You got me... I raced four times in three days this weekend, did so on a budget, made good money. Just because the majority of people do one thing doesn't mean that it's the best or makes the most sense. If people who live within a reasonable distance of IHRA events don't support those events, whose fault is it? Those who try it overwhelmingly have a positive experience. What exactly does any of that have to do with the policies of NHRA? Car counts at the US Nationals are because it's the US Nationals at Indy. Even other NHRA events don't come close. The US Class Nationals drew even more cars, which tells us that it's the kind of racing people want to do, not the sanctioning body that makes the difference. >> 80% of you bitching don't even race at INDY or with NHRA. I have raced NHRA (Finished #11 in NHRA Div. 1 in my rookie year, and that was in a FWD car.), and I have competed at Indy. NHRA has a number of issues that I don't agree with, so after expressing my opinion about them, I choose to race elsewhere 99% of the time. I'm not into the "battered wife syndrome". Banging your head against the wall doesn't give one's opinion more credibility. >> Yes HP factors are way out of line right now, ....SOOOOOoooooooo make it right! (or at least make an honest effort to get it in the right zip code) That's all anybody's really asking for! >>but look at how many new cars and people are in S and SS now. Yah. $100,000 cars are a great way to get new blood into the sport. That's sustainable. How many new people *are* in S/SS now? That vast majority of people in the new cars are not new to the sport. I think the new cars are really cool, and I wouldn't mind driving one myself, but nobody can tell you with a straight face that they are any semblance of right. "CJ's and DP's are great because they bring new cars and people into the sport, and it's okay that they're not factored right".... Funny, you don't say the same about the "evil Crate Motor cars", which have brought MANY times the number of cars and people into the sport, and they complain about how soft the crate motor cars are, while the 360 Magnum crate motor is rated 50 HP more than the 5.9L DP engine, which has better specs all the way around. I don't care which side of the argument you support, but be consistent.
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09-08-2010, 12:14 PM
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Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face
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09-08-2010, 12:37 PM
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Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face
Before all yall lose your rudder completely, the 6.1 has been hit twice in the past year and is in line for another at the end of the year, the 5.7 has been hit 21 hp in the last 60 to 90 days, and will get some more before the end of the year, and the 360 has been to two national events this year in stock eliminator and was hit once for 9 hp. With that many cars out there, the system will work in short order. And the cars don't cost 100k. Mine cost 60k less the value of a 6.1 dp motor which wholesales for 14k that I have in an engine stand. I guess it was ok for the 396's and 428's to kick everyone up till now. Or the mid 80's efi motors, or the other combos that go fast. And complain about them driving cars out, it looks like it was happening anyway. Bring back the EFI classes? Might be an option, stick/auto? SS/AH shows you can have two factors in one class. Make some heads up classes? Next year I'm gonna bring my wife's PT Cruiser Covertable Turbo. I gotta say it was more fun running 4 tenths faster in class than it was running 4 tenths slower last year. But I don't remember complaining about losing by 4 tenths. I did something about it. I got another car. On another note, I have been asking NHRA for new parts for the old cars for 15 years. I am still asking, especially heads, as the 40 year old parts that I ran until now were scarce, rusty, and beat up. And let's face it, an out the box Edlebrock head is better than the acid or other means ported heads in stock and cost about half as much.
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09-08-2010, 12:23 PM
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Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face
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>> 80% of you bitching don't even race at INDY or with NHRA. Actually Michael, most of the people posting here do race NHRA or have raced at the US Nationals. I ran it in '96, '97 and '98. Unfortunately, I gave up after I couldn't make the field the last two years. IHRA is an alternative for some, that I have personally supported and participated in myself, but it appears that they are on the downturn due to the economy and the Evan Knoll/Torco fiasco. They put too many eggs in Evan's basket and are now paying for it dearly.
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09-08-2010, 12:38 PM
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Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face
Here's the Reading entry list sorted by class...people may moan and groan but above all else they want to race....no withdrawals since Indy so apparently if people have a car they can't class differently than an entered 'killer' car they just hope they avoid it during eliminations.
Just saying..... 18 A/S Ralph Porpora '69 Camaro Chev 396 1330 A/S David Casey '69 Corvette Chev 427 3602 A/S Jason Mc Cormack '66 Belvedere Plym 426 1073 A/SA Edward Horensky '68 Shelby Ford 428 117K A/SA Brooks Lee '69 Camaro Chev 396 1199 A/SA Steve Calabro '69 Corvette Chev 427 1242 A/SA Jc James Beattie JR '09 Challenger Dodg 370 1470 A/SA Adam Keir '70 Chevy Nova GM 402 1656 AA/SA Kenneth Miele '67 Shelby Ford 428 1960 AA/SA Edward Alessi Jr '69 Camaro Chev 427 1990 AA/SA David Barton '09 Coronet Dodg 426 1152 B/S Edward Bednaz '69 Nova Chev 396 1441 B/S Richard Adkins Jr '67 Shelby Ford 428 1518 B/S Bob Broadbent '69 Camaro Chev 396 3969 B/S Joseph Martens '69 Camaro Chev 396 71 B/SA Brian McClanahan '02 Pontiac Pont 346 187 B/SA Bob Moran Jr '69 Camaro Chev 396 396 B/SA Mike Fuller '69 Camaro Chev 396 1002 B/SA Jeffrey Bardekoff '64 Fury Plym 426 1013 B/SA David Ficacci '69 Camaro Chev 396 1020 B/SA Francois Periard '68 Road Runner Plym 426 1041 B/SA Steve Welker '69 Camaro Chev 396 1352 B/SA Bill Hawk '67 Shelby Ford 428 1406 B/SA Matt Rover '71 Challenger Dodg 440 1570 B/SA Frank Bialas '70 GTX Plym 440 1778 B/SA Joseph Santangelo II '95 Camaro Chev 350 1840 B/SA Couturier Serge '64 Dodge Dodg 426 2923 B/SA Gregory Rowe '95 Firebird Pont 350 1904 BF/S Dennis Chapman '88 Dodge Dodg 135 1056 C/S Todd Bednaz '68 Camaro Chev 396 22 C/SA Mickey Whaley '69 Camaro Chev 350 1150 C/SA Russell Linke '96 Camaro Chev 350 123A C/SA Billy Kirpens Jr '69 Barracuda Plym 440 1883 C/SA Eric Merryfield '09 Challenger Dodg 345 1710 D/S Jerry Mac Neish '67 Camaro Chev 302 2 D/SA Anthony Fetch '68 Chevrolet Chev 396 14 D/SA Matthew Welker '68 Camaro Chev 396 1129 D/SA Victor Guilmino III '71 Mustang Ford 429 1262 D/SA Ken Robinson '67 Camaro Chev 396 1043 E/S Doc Horn '67 1973 Plym 440 1165 E/S Dean Cook '72 Ford Ford 351 1255 E/SA Maurice Bivins Jr '71 Plymouth Plym 340 1348 E/SA Mike Farrell '71 Challenger Dodg 383 1547 E/SA Jack Matyas '04 Pontiac Pont 346 1728 E/SA Ralph Kershner Jr '71 Plymouth Plym 340 1018 F/S Adam Strang '68 Firebird Pont 400 1049 F/SA Ron Infantino '69 Camaro Chev 350 1121 F/SA Lenny Williams '71 Buick GS Buic 455 1351 F/SA Tex Miller '71 Mustang Ford 351 1559 F/SA Tom O Loughlin '68 Chevelle Chev 396 1658 F/SA Matt Ticcony '67 Barracuda Plym 383 1578 G/S Jim Roberts '69 Camaro Chev 350 5 G/SA Dustan Lowell '72 Duster Chry 340 1040 G/SA Stan Giermanski '68 Camaro Chev 327 1109 G/SA John Gray Jr '72 Nova Chev 350 1614 G/SA Barry Parker '74 Corvette Chev 350 1721 G/SA Joe Lisa '70 Chevy Nova Chev 350 1860 G/SA Anthony Curcio '69 Camaro Chev 350 1967 G/SA Jim Marshall '80 Corvette Chev 350 117 H/SA Norm Hall '69 Chevrolet Chev 350 1280 H/SA Charles Veach '84 Camaro Chev 305 1290 H/SA James Perrone '69 Nova Chev 350 1317 H/SA Joe De Marzo '72 Chev II Chev 350 1525 H/SA Daniel Lynch '69 Camaro Chev 350 1584 H/SA Donald Pires '72 Nova Chev 350 1617 H/SA Gary Parker '75 Camaro Chev 350 15 I/SA Katie Sepanek '72 Chevelle Chev 350 1168 J/S Dean Cook II '95 Ford Ford 302 1616 J/S Sam Murray '72 Cutlass Olds 350 17 J/SA Frank Ferrucci Jr '90 IROC Chev 350 190 J/SA Frank Aragona Jr '86 Camaro Chev 305 1021 J/SA Eugene Monahan '90 Firebird GM 350 1924 J/SA Bud Rowe '86 Camaro Chev 305 1077 K/SA James English '89 Camaro Chev 305 1116 K/SA Jeanne Linke '85 Camaro Chev 305 2209 K/SA Jorge Carnero '90 Trans Am GM 350 115F L/SA John Fedeli Jr '76 Oldsmobile Olds 455 1424 M/SA Joe Mocci '69 Camaro Chev 350 144 O/SA Bob Bender '69 Kingswood Chev 350 1222 P/S Joe Cokinos '96 S-10 Chev 262 1945 T/SA Ed Fernandez '77 Gremlin AMC 258
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Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face
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Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face
Jeff,
You are absolutely correct, you were #141 qualifier last year at Indy and I cannot find anything on this site where you were complaining about other cars or your HP. Although it is not an option for all of us to build or buy a different car it is still a performanced based class, it is just that the performance is changing. I don't think the #1 qualifier has $100,000 in that car nor does the #8, #9, #10, #16, #17 or #18 qualifier. I am not siding with NHRA, but we all make our choices, some good, some not so good. Things are always changing in the drag racing world (some good, some not so good). I think a lot of us sportsman guys feel we don't get any respect from NHRA, from TV time to correct HP on all combinations. But we are still part of the show, we could be phased out like the Pro Stock trucks and end up just bracket racers with nothing to show for our hard work, time, money and effort ... Everyone knew what the DP's and CJ's were capable of before Indy. Some racers were able to change class and dodge the bullet, others could not, but you still entered. Look at what it costs to run a SS/AH car, how many of those guys had a chance of winning? But they still entered to be part of the show. 8.60's or 8.70's is still fast for an AH car, but that was not good enough to make the final cut.
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Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face
I believe John Shaul was entered at Reading and he is not on the list anymore. Probably some people were waiting to see what NHRA was going to do. I predict there will be more withdrawals.
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09-08-2010, 02:52 PM
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Re: 3.25% for the DP & CJ is just a slap in the face
John made it very clear at Indy that he was not going to Reading because of these cars.
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