Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes

Chad Rhodes · 09-13-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Sean, how are you affected by these cars when you do not run in the higher classes?
BTW...as regards to fabrication and ingenuity, these cars are high tech stuff.

especially when you consider the fabrication of the HP factors

Ed Fernandez · 09-13-2010, 05:19 PM

Quote:But what about guys like me, who bought a car that's been flogged on for 25 years trying to get our feet wet.... there is no competitive place for us to run now.

Gee,I guess you bought the wrong car.Silly you.

junior barns · 09-13-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

especially when you consider the fabrication of the HP factors

lol! Good one Chad! x2

Sean Kennedy · 09-13-2010, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

especially when you consider the fabrication of the HP factors

LOL

SSDiv6,

You are correct. NHRA did accept the HP factors. They also accepted a big check, to allow ford to become the official vehicle of NHRA.

SSDiv6 · 09-13-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy

LOL

SSDiv6,

You are correct. NHRA did accept the HP factors. They also accepted a big check, to allow ford to become the official vehicle of NHRA.

Ford has been the official vehicle of NHRA many times and way before the CJ's existed.

Sean Kennedy · 09-13-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Ford has been the official vehicle of NHRA many times and way before the CJ's existed.

Do you honestly believe this has no effect? You are not that naive.

Jeff Lee · 09-13-2010, 06:31 PM

I had a long talk with the NHRA S/SS Committee Chairman the other day.
I did not ask what NHRA was going to do about this issue, nor did I receive any "inside" tip. I can tell you the mood is not good at Glendora about this issue. We had much discussion on heads-up in eliminations and I was assured deleting this was not an option as far as NHRA was concerned and he agreed with me that tossing out heads-up runs would negate the purpose of the class. He understands this is a performance based class and it is necessary we retain this. I made my opinion known that there were many "wanna bees" and some in S/SS who would like to see heads-up runs eliminated. Furthermore, I let him know some, primarily bracket racers in my opinion, have pushed this agenda for years as they wish to have the national event lime light (and rewards) yet lack the resources, talent or desire to build a competitive car which will pass tech. The same people who want to eliminate heads-up runs with a '68 Camaro vs. a 2008 CJ likely would like to see no heads-up runs between two '68 Camaros.
A big elephant in the room is the AHFS. NHRA can not arbitrarily change the rules mid-game. If NHRA did, and assigned 50 HP to the CJ/DP racers tomorrow, law suits would follow. I might suppose Ford & Chrysler may not like being placed in their own class, but then again, maybe not. The Hemi shootout has not had a negative impact on MOPAR Performance or Chrysler vehicle sales. It could be a great marketing tool.
I also brought up TPS settings I have heard of with these cars with some running only 55% to 75% according to some sources. I called that what it was, throttle stop racing which further demonstrates we might not be seeing the true performance of these cars right now (and based on the ET / MPH relationship we know they have a lot in their pocket).
As I stated before, some may think I'm a fool but I believe NHRA will straighten this mess out. Again, I reiterate, I see no logical reason for NHRA to want to drop the class or cause the class to shrink by alienating a significant market to them.

Sean Kennedy · 09-13-2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I had a long talk with the NHRA S/SS Committee Chairman the other day.
I did not ask what NHRA was going to do about this issue, nor did I receive any "inside" tip. I can tell you the mood is not good at Glendora about this issue. We had much discussion on heads-up in eliminations and I was assured deleting this was not an option as far as NHRA was concerned and he agreed with me that tossing out heads-up runs would negate the purpose of the class. He understands this is a performance based class and it is necessary we retain this. I made my opinion known that there were many "wanna bees" and some in S/SS who would like to see heads-up runs eliminated. Furthermore, I let him know some, primarily bracket racers in my opinion, have pushed this agenda for years as they wish to have the national event lime light (and rewards) yet lack the resources, talent or desire to build a competitive car which will pass tech. The same people who want to eliminate heads-up runs with a '68 Camaro vs. a 2008 CJ likely would like to see no heads-up runs between two '68 Camaros.
A big elephant in the room is the AHFS. NHRA can not arbitrarily change the rules mid-game. If NHRA did, and assigned 50 HP to the CJ/DP racers tomorrow, law suits would follow. I might suppose Ford & Chrysler may not like being placed in their own class, but then again, maybe not. The Hemi shootout has not had a negative impact on MOPAR Performance or Chrysler vehicle sales. It could be a great marketing tool.
I also brought up TPS settings I have heard of with these cars with some running only 55% to 75% according to some sources. I called that what it was, throttle stop racing which further demonstrates we might not be seeing the true performance of these cars right now (and based on the ET / MPH relationship we know they have a lot in their pocket).
As I stated before, some may think I'm a fool but I believe NHRA will straighten this mess out. Again, I reiterate, I see no logical reason for NHRA to want to drop the class or cause the class to shrink by alienating a significant market to them.

It's fair to ask.... in the time it takes them to get the HP in line (5 years... 10 years? more?) how much will the class shrink? Do the guys in CJs and DPs want the class to be all other rich guys in CJs and DPs or do they want to still race against the old metal? There might not be much left to race against if they don't do something reasonably soon....

Ty Webb · 09-13-2010, 06:51 PM

[QUOTE=Jeff Lee;210376]
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A big elephant in the room is the AHFS. NHRA can not arbitrarily change the rules mid-game. If NHRA did, and assigned 50 HP to the CJ/DP racers tomorrow, law suits would follow. QUOTE]

Twice a year NHRA allows people to ask the powers to be for HP adjustments. Most ask for HP reductions for their combinations. Some have gotten as much as 75 HP taken off of their cars. Perhaps people could ask for HP to be added to cars? 75 HP might be a good place to start!

Just saying.................

Jeff Lee · 09-13-2010, 07:19 PM

[QUOTE=Ty Webb;210386]

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I
A big elephant in the room is the AHFS. NHRA can not arbitrarily change the rules mid-game. If NHRA did, and assigned 50 HP to the CJ/DP racers tomorrow, law suits would follow. QUOTE]

Twice a year NHRA allows people to ask the powers to be for HP adjustments. Most ask for HP reductions for their combinations. Some have gotten as much as 75 HP taken off of their cars. Perhaps people could ask for HP to be added to cars? 75 HP might be a good place to start!

Just saying.................

Maybe you have it backwards...All cars that race with DP/CJ's in their class get 75 HP off their rating!

09-13-2010, 05:19 PM	#2
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes Quote:But what about guys like me, who bought a car that's been flogged on for 25 years trying to get our feet wet.... there is no competitive place for us to run now. Gee,I guess you bought the wrong car.Silly you. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

09-13-2010, 06:31 PM	#7
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes I had a long talk with the NHRA S/SS Committee Chairman the other day. I did not ask what NHRA was going to do about this issue, nor did I receive any "inside" tip. I can tell you the mood is not good at Glendora about this issue. We had much discussion on heads-up in eliminations and I was assured deleting this was not an option as far as NHRA was concerned and he agreed with me that tossing out heads-up runs would negate the purpose of the class. He understands this is a performance based class and it is necessary we retain this. I made my opinion known that there were many "wanna bees" and some in S/SS who would like to see heads-up runs eliminated. Furthermore, I let him know some, primarily bracket racers in my opinion, have pushed this agenda for years as they wish to have the national event lime light (and rewards) yet lack the resources, talent or desire to build a competitive car which will pass tech. The same people who want to eliminate heads-up runs with a '68 Camaro vs. a 2008 CJ likely would like to see no heads-up runs between two '68 Camaros. A big elephant in the room is the AHFS. NHRA can not arbitrarily change the rules mid-game. If NHRA did, and assigned 50 HP to the CJ/DP racers tomorrow, law suits would follow. I might suppose Ford & Chrysler may not like being placed in their own class, but then again, maybe not. The Hemi shootout has not had a negative impact on MOPAR Performance or Chrysler vehicle sales. It could be a great marketing tool. I also brought up TPS settings I have heard of with these cars with some running only 55% to 75% according to some sources. I called that what it was, throttle stop racing which further demonstrates we might not be seeing the true performance of these cars right now (and based on the ET / MPH relationship we know they have a lot in their pocket). As I stated before, some may think I'm a fool but I believe NHRA will straighten this mess out. Again, I reiterate, I see no logical reason for NHRA to want to drop the class or cause the class to shrink by alienating a significant market to them. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

09-13-2010, 06:51 PM	#9
Ty Webb Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: WV Posts: 41 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes [QUOTE=Jeff Lee;210376] I A big elephant in the room is the AHFS. NHRA can not arbitrarily change the rules mid-game. If NHRA did, and assigned 50 HP to the CJ/DP racers tomorrow, law suits would follow. QUOTE] Twice a year NHRA allows people to ask the powers to be for HP adjustments. Most ask for HP reductions for their combinations. Some have gotten as much as 75 HP taken off of their cars. Perhaps people could ask for HP to be added to cars? 75 HP might be a good place to start! Just saying.................