Lack of integrity

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by Dgal

I think I asked this before, but what was the rule change that allowed these cars to be mixed in with the traditional stock eliminator cars?

Don

The first page of the rule book under rules for Stock Eliminator that states"

OEM may apply for inclusion of any special production runs into the official NHRA Stock Car Classification Guide. Special runs must include a run of 50 units of an already accepted body style, need not be showroom available. Applications evaluated on an individual basis. Acceptance will not imply precedent.

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

The first page of the rule book under rules for Stock Eliminator that states"

OEM may apply for inclusion of any special production runs into the official NHRA Stock Car Classification Guide. Special runs must include a run of 50 units of an already accepted body style, need not be showroom available. Applications evaluated on an individual basis. Acceptance will not imply precedent.

That is not a change. The NHRA is allowing these cars to compete in stock in some convoluted reasoning under the current rules.

[Bruce Noland]

You are right it is 2010 and this organization is still conducting business as if it were the 70's.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by 1664SSJA

So your saying that in 12 years you'll still be here crying then right?

remember your words Alan " Not everyone will be successful in Stock Eliminator.....some people will just have to work harder on their programs"

We are successful, and I'm working harder. Got two class Wallys, two class wins at the SportsNational Open, and an over all runner up. And moving in to run Super Stock, too.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Dgal

That is not a change. The NHRA is allowing these cars to compete in stock in some convoluted reasoning under the current rules.

Didn't I read that you have a 1998 LT1 car?

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Didn't I read that you have a 1998 LT1 car?

Yes.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Dgal

Yes.

So, guess which rule allowed your combination to be allowed! (I have two LT1 1998's)

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by GUMP

So, guess which rule allowed your combination to be allowed! (I have two LT1 1998's)

Gump,

I was waiting for you to post something like this. You are making this too easy. And instead of guessing, please state what rule was changed then and now. There wasn't a change then and even now there has not been a rule change. The NHRA is not adhering to the existing rules. Again, please do not infer. Be specific on the rule change.

I never claimed there was a rule change like dwydendorf did. I never asked that the Cobra Jets and Drag Paks be kicked out of stock just asked them to be classified properly like the LT1's were and the 1998 LT1 were already in the FIA class by the time they came out. So that kills any argument about a performance advantage of those cars period.

Are you suggesting that it is only a paper car? Well, that says you. There has been at least one other person besides myself that has laid eyes on one. I saw one on a used car lot in Ft. Worth about 5 years ago.

There were two things that caught my eye. One was that I like the way they look and two was that it was undervalued by about $2,000. I asked the dealer what was wrong with the car to reflect the price. He said that "no one wanted the car without the all aluminum engine." I had never seen or heard of an iron block LS1 so I asked him to raise the hood. I thought well I can see why no one wants it. It has the slower LT1 in it.

This was a low mileage original one owner car. I mentioned that I bet most didn't want it with the slower engine and that was why the kid that owned it was trying to sell it (consignment). He was tired of his buddies walking all over him with their LS1s.

I wasn't in racing at that time and had no clue what I was looking at. Knowing now I would have snatched it up and sat on it.

I started racing two years ago when my car was rated at 341 hp and now it is 346 hp. It is a fair car in the class and not the fastest when I bought it. I have worked and worked on it to get it faster. No amount of time or money will get my car to compete with factory race parts or power adders.

I still want to race the Drag Paks and Cobra Jets, but either factor them properly (immediately and at least get it close) or the easier solution is to put them in their own category.

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by Dgal

Gump,

I was waiting for you to post something like this. You are making this too easy. And instead of guessing, please state what rule was changed then and now. There wasn't a change then and even now there has not been a rule change. The NHRA is not adhering to the existing rules. Again, please do not infer. Be specific on the rule change.

I never claimed there was a rule change like dwydendorf did. I never asked that the Cobra Jets and Drag Paks be kicked out of stock just asked them to be classified properly like the LT1's were and the 1998 LT1 were already in the FIA class by the time they came out. So that kills any argument about a performance advantage of those cars period.

Are you suggesting that it is only a paper car? Well, that says you. There has been at least one other person besides myself that has laid eyes on one. I saw one on a used car lot in Ft. Worth about 5 years ago.

There were two things that caught my eye. One was that I like the way they look and two was that it was undervalued by about $2,000. I asked the dealer what was wrong with the car to reflect the price. He said that "no one wanted the car without the all aluminum engine." I had never seen or heard of an iron block LS1 so I asked him to raise the hood. I thought well I can see why no one wants it. It has the slower LT1 in it.

This was a low mileage original one owner car. I mentioned that I bet most didn't want it with the slower engine and that was why the kid that owned it was trying to sell it (consignment). He was tired of his buddies walking all over him with their LS1s.

I wasn't in racing at that time and had no clue what I was looking at. Knowing now I would have snatched it up and sat on it.

I started racing two years ago when my car was rated at 341 hp and now it is 346 hp. It is a fair car in the class and not the fastest when I bought it. I have worked and worked on it to get it faster. No amount of time or money will get my car to compete with factory race parts or power adders.

I still want to race the Drag Paks and Cobra Jets, but either factor them properly (immediately and at least get it close) or the easier solution is to put them in their own category.

It took 12 years for your horsepower to get where it is today (recent horsepower on your combo is dated 1-1-10) but yet you want NHRA to immediately refactor the CJ"s and drag pak cars. Well guess what, I started racing 40 years ago, and there have been combinations that have outrun my combo by a bunch ever since then. It is a part of this game, like it or not it will allways be there. Either get used to it, build one of the new cars, or go do something else because it will always be there. The system cannot react as fast as someone can come with a new killer combo. Its is not fair that the same rule that allowed your car to run stock, also allowed the CJ's and Drag Pak cars.lol If you find a copy of the 1996 rule book you will find that the paragraph about the 50 car rule is not listed.

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

It took 12 years for your horsepower to get where it is today (recent horsepower on your combo is dated 1-1-10) but yet you want NHRA to immediately refactor the CJ"s and drag pak cars. Well guess what, I started racing 40 years ago, and there have been combinations that have outrun my combo by a bunch ever since then. It is a part of this game, like it or not it will allways be there. Either get used to it, build one of the new cars, or go do something else because it will always be there. The system cannot react as fast as someone can come with a new killer combo. Its is not fair that the same rule that allowed your car to run stock, also allowed the CJ's and Drag Pak cars.lol

I am not even going to ask it. You are dense! It took 12 years? Where were the LT1s for all but the first 3 years??? They were in their own class to get the horsepower adjusted! Exactly what I and others have been asking for this entire time. And it is even in the post that you quoted me on.

How long have the Cobra Jets been out? We are working on three years. Why should they be treated any differently than the LT1s that you keep referring to? Heck you have an example of how to handle it. Just as the rule book states, prior approvals do constitute a precedent (I am paraphrasing).

Which means they don't have to put them in a separate class, but it makes the most sense like the did with the FI cars.