2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes - Page 6

Chad Rhodes · 10-28-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Faul

Nowhere except top fuel, funny car, pro stock, ps motorcycles, super comp, super gas, and super street..... Plus class elims in stock and SS...

Well obviously if both cars leave at the same time, then the FIRST red light would be the WORST red light. I was referring to anywhere with a handicapped tree, most would realize that. The slower car has the advantage of the clean tree, the fast car has the advantage of the First red light. I don't see the problem with that, neither does most of the class racing, and bracket racing communities.

Randall Klein · 10-28-2010, 09:34 AM

I guess I'm in the 5% advocating worst red light loses. Many want the "driver" to be recognized in the equation, a .495 red vs a .437 red would indicate that the first red light did a better job of driving

True, there are equal advantages (now) with clean tree vs first red light, but conveniently ignoring the better advantage of having the race in front of you...the best advantage

Not a big deal to me compared to mufflers, better hooking consistent tracks, better pits, shorter races, consistent tech and on and on....just voicing my 5%

Chad Rhodes · 10-28-2010, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Randall Klein

I guess I'm in the 5% advocating worst red light loses. Many want the "driver" to be recognized in the equation, a .495 red vs a .437 red would indicate that the first red light did a better job of driving

True, there are equal advantages (now) with clean tree vs first red light, but conveniently ignoring the better advantage of having the race in front of you...the best advantage

Not a big deal to me compared to mufflers, better hooking consistent tracks, better pits, shorter races, consistent tech and on and on....just voicing my 5%

Why don't we just line up for a qualifying shot, put our shoe polish on the window, and give the Wally to the best package. That would put the driver in it, right? Actually they already do that at our local track. It's called "run for the money", and even then it's a side show.

X-TECH MAN · 10-28-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Randall Klein

I guess I'm in the 5% advocating worst red light loses. Many want the "driver" to be recognized in the equation, a .495 red vs a .437 red would indicate that the first red light did a better job of driving

True, there are equal advantages (now) with clean tree vs first red light, but conveniently ignoring the better advantage of having the race in front of you...the best advantage

Not a big deal to me compared to mufflers, better hooking consistent tracks, better pits, shorter races, consistent tech and on and on....just voicing my 5%

Im with you 1000% on this. All of the fast guys conveniently "forget" the advantage of having the race in front of them all the way down the track. Hummmmm, maybe thats why the super class racers build big inch engines and run high MPH to keep their opponent out in front of them.....LOL.

Alan Roehrich · 10-28-2010, 10:04 AM

And the slow cars conveniently forget the advantages they have, not seeing the other car leave first, less time on the chip, the converter, and the brakes, as well as less worry about the rapidly growing problem of questionable track prep.

If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell.

Bill Grubbs · 10-28-2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Faul

Nowhere except top fuel, funny car, pro stock, ps motorcycles, super comp, super gas, and super street..... Plus class elims in stock and SS...

In this case you could also say the first redlight loses.

Bunkster · 10-28-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

....the clean tree....

What, precisely, is a "clean tree"?

Is that the same thing as a "clean finish line"?

Chad Rhodes · 10-28-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bunkster

What, precisely, is a "clean tree"?

Is that the same thing as a "clean finish line"?

the clean tree would be that the slower car doesn't have to block out the distraction of the other car's lights coming down (some trees have dividers, some do not). You also don't see the other car leave out of your peripheral vision.

Bimbo Jones · 10-28-2010, 10:30 AM

I have only met a few racers that honestly prefer being the slower car all the rest are just racers that say that because they can't afford to be the fastest car. We've had the Xmas tree since the early 60's but until the reaction timer was introduced the slower car didn't know he had done a better job of driving only to be eliminated. Just as the best light's reward comes as a finish line cushion. The worst red light should be grounds for elimination. I'd like to hear some more about all those advantages that the slower cars have other than costs. LOL Maybe the rules haven't changed in the past 45 years but a whole bunch of variables sure have been introduced in that time that these old rules do not take into account.

Chad Rhodes · 10-28-2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Grubbs

In this case you could also say the first redlight loses.

exactly. When big money bracket races, NHRA's bracket series, and local tracks go to a WORSE redlight rule, then it might be time to think about it for stock/SS/Comp. But Stock and Superstock is not the place to try this experiment.

A question for the proponents of this rule, name me one track in the US that uses a WORSE redlight rule in their weekly bracket program?

10-28-2010, 09:34 AM	#52
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes I guess I'm in the 5% advocating worst red light loses. Many want the "driver" to be recognized in the equation, a .495 red vs a .437 red would indicate that the first red light did a better job of driving True, there are equal advantages (now) with clean tree vs first red light, but conveniently ignoring the better advantage of having the race in front of you...the best advantage Not a big deal to me compared to mufflers, better hooking consistent tracks, better pits, shorter races, consistent tech and on and on....just voicing my 5%

10-28-2010, 10:04 AM	#55
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,116 Likes: 1,573 Liked 1,829 Times in 414 Posts	Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes And the slow cars conveniently forget the advantages they have, not seeing the other car leave first, less time on the chip, the converter, and the brakes, as well as less worry about the rapidly growing problem of questionable track prep. If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

10-28-2010, 10:30 AM	#59
Bimbo Jones Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 109 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes I have only met a few racers that honestly prefer being the slower car all the rest are just racers that say that because they can't afford to be the fastest car. We've had the Xmas tree since the early 60's but until the reaction timer was introduced the slower car didn't know he had done a better job of driving only to be eliminated. Just as the best light's reward comes as a finish line cushion. The worst red light should be grounds for elimination. I'd like to hear some more about all those advantages that the slower cars have other than costs. LOL Maybe the rules haven't changed in the past 45 years but a whole bunch of variables sure have been introduced in that time that these old rules do not take into account.