Holloween 2010 - The End of Pontiac

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Todd,are you doing a Ford?

No, have one I hope to build one day. I'm loyal to my Pontiac because of sentimental feelings. I've had it since Im 13 years old. we have been through alot together. I've had my greatest racing moments in it. I just have some strong feelings against the company management. Not anybody who has worked there, or the product.

[Alan Roehrich]

The death of Pontiac, much like the death of Oldsmobile, is just another sign of how poorly GM has been managed over the last 4 decades.

One article mentioned a Pontiac dealer with a brand new Solstice in his showroom. It's still there because they want $32K for it! It's a $20K car, if they'd have sold them, and their Saturn twin for that, they'd have sold plenty. I like it, it's a cool car, but it ain't $32K worth of cool. It'd make a great little fun commuter car for 1-2 people. But for crying out loud, it's a small, 4 cylinder, two seat car, that is not terribly fast, nor capable of exceptional handling.

Between Roger and Herb, GM was completely screwed and nearly hopeless. And it hasn't gotten much better. A horrible business model, and an even worse development department, has brought them to the brink of disaster, and past, nearly to extinction, which is very possible.

When Oldsmobile and Pontiac died, they weren't making Oldsmobiles and Pontiacs, they were making over priced cookie cutter cars that were boring as crap. Buick is next.

I have several GM products, a Buick, a Pontiac, and an Oldsmobile among them. GM has not been run by car people in decades, and the car people that are at GM are locked in some back room in a hidden building, with their hands tied. Frikkin two ton Camaros, indeed.

It will only get sadder, if GM is sold to the Chinese, and that IS possible. The only funny thing about that is the fear it strikes in the UAW.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

The death of Pontiac, much like the death of Oldsmobile, is just another sign of how poorly GM has been managed over the last 4 decades.

One article mentioned a Pontiac dealer with a brand new Solstice in his showroom. It's still there because they want $32K for it! It's a $20K car, if they'd have sold them, and their Saturn twin for that, they'd have sold plenty. I like it, it's a cool car, but it ain't $32K worth of cool. It'd make a great little fun commuter car for 1-2 people. But for crying out loud, it's a small, 4 cylinder, two seat car, that is not terribly fast, nor capable of exceptional handling.

Between Roger and Herb, GM was completely screwed and nearly hopeless. And it hasn't gotten much better. A horrible business model, and an even worse development department, has brought them to the brink of disaster, and past, nearly to extinction, which is very possible.

When Oldsmobile and Pontiac died, they weren't making Oldsmobiles and Pontiacs, they were making over priced cookie cutter cars that were boring as crap. Buick is next.

I have several GM products, a Buick, a Pontiac, and an Oldsmobile among them. GM has not been run by car people in decades, and the car people that are at GM are locked in some back room in a hidden building, with their hands tied. Frikkin two ton Camaros, indeed.

It will only get sadder, if GM is sold to the Chinese, and that IS possible. The only funny thing about that is the fear it strikes in the UAW.

Couldn't have said it better! Alan, you are so right! Jim

[BlueOval Ralph]

Jack says
Yesterday on Holloween Day General Motors ended all agreements with its dealer network of Pontiac agency's worldwide - after 84 years of "Excitement" they're gone ................ First Oldsmobile -- now Pontiac -- no more racing 'orphan' brands for me ............

This could very well happen!!!
It will only get sadder, if GM is sold to the Chinese, and that IS possible Just WHEN is the Question?

[W J]

Never mind just GM......One of these days, China is going to call in all our loans from them.....when we can't pay, word is they will take over ownership of New York City....that's not even remotely funny, but could be true......WJ

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

In some ways it's sad, but other ways OH WELL. In the last 20 years, what has Pontiac done for anyone who has raced one of their cars, 1990 or older? NOTHING!!!! My friends race Fords and Mopars and they still get class, and eleminator contingetcy. Not matter what year car they race. In that case screw GM all together.

My dad who worked for the company 19 years died durring his employment with them. He was a salary employee/foreman. My mother was guaranteed health coverage from them for the rest of her days. She lost it from them in the restructure. UAW employees did not. As a GM employee you cannot even buy a car at a discount anymore. I understand that they were losing money, and had to make changes. There could have been a couple of changes to the new way of doing things. Now they are doing very well again, and downsizing.

My opinion is very bias, and sure not of many on this board, but I feel I wanted to say my peace. As for Pontiac.....SCREW EM.

One of the main reasons I don't gripe about the new cars.

[Robert Swartz]

So, with the demise of Pontiac. I wonder if I should make my 10th anniversary Trans Am into an IHRA crate stocker, now? I will anyway.

Robert Swartz

[Andys dad]

So no more GXPs in Pro-Stock?

:-) peace

[blkjack]

[blkjack]

I guess the Regal would work in PS