2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes

Adger Smith · 11-07-2010, 01:16 PM

Bill,
I'm breaking one of my own rules with this post.
You, Bill, of all people should know better than go against a standard that has been with the sport from the begenning. yea, i'm calling you an old guy because you and I both remember running on flags. Yes, flags. Ok... Bill think back, way back. What was one of the things a good driver did to trick his opponent into leaving early? Remeber, he would pull to the line and give it a little hop to cause the other guy to jump, then wait on the guy with the flag. I know you have seen it done many times. Like me you have probably done it. What was that little hop? By today's standards it was "The First Red Light" Usually the guy running the flag caught the guy with the "Worst Red Light" because he was the guy that launched and was blowing down the track. Some where back in time someone at NHRA figured that out and guess what, made a rule.. First, not worst. Bill, I've even seen the guy that was on the line start a very slow roll when the "Spot" was Way out there, and the flagger was even farther out.
Bill, it's just going against the standard of our sport to change. The worst thing I can think of is it is just going to confuse the spectators that follow sportsman racing. Gosh we all know we need to simplify things for the spectator, not make it more complicated. Just look at how complicated Comp is for spectators. Not that many understand the CIC system.

Peter Ash · 11-07-2010, 01:21 PM

You snooze you lose, you choke you lose. Get over it!

bill dedman · 11-07-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Ash

You snooze you lose, you choke you lose. Get over it!

So when does the second car to leave get HIS chance to choke if the 1st car bulbs?

He gets a free ride.

Not necessary; he may bulb worse than the 1st car did.

Is that not a more fair scenario? Equal red light jeopardy for everyone?

I think so....

Sorry, West Coast, this was too easy to resist...

jmcarter · 11-07-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman

Sorry, West Coast, this was too easy to resist...

West Coast hell, we on the east coast would like you to start a new thread too...LOL

bill dedman · 11-07-2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcarter

West Coast hell, we on the east coast would like you to start a new thread too...LOL

Okee Dokee....

bill dedman · 11-07-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Adger Smith

Bill,
I'm breaking one of my own rules with this post.
You, Bill, of all people should know better than go against a standard that has been with the sport from the begenning. yea, i'm calling you an old guy because you and I both remember running on flags. Yes, flags. Ok... Bill think back, way back. What was one of the things a good driver did to trick his opponent into leaving early? Remeber, he would pull to the line and give it a little hop to cause the other guy to jump, then wait on the guy with the flag. I know you have seen it done many times. Like me you have probably done it. What was that little hop? By today's standards it was "The First Red Light" Usually the guy running the flag caught the guy with the "Worst Red Light" because he was the guy that launched and was blowing down the track. Some where back in time someone at NHRA figured that out and guess what, made a rule.. First, not worst. Bill, I've even seen the guy that was on the line start a very slow roll when the "Spot" was Way out there, and the flagger was even farther out.
Bill, it's just going against the standard of our sport to change. The worst thing I can think of is it is just going to confuse the spectators that follow sportsman racing. Gosh we all know we need to simplify things for the spectator, not make it more complicated. Just look at how complicated Comp is for spectators. Not that many understand the CIC system.

Adger, you have said some things here that need clarification.

First, this "first red light" rule came about as something that NHRA didn't know how to fix, so they lived with it. Then, they had lived with it so long, it became a :standard" as you call it, but not for any other reason than they at first didn't KNOW how to fix it, and later because we had become so USED to it, that it seemed "right." Hell, it took myself a lot of thought and much deliberation to see anything wrong with it.

But, I finally did see the UNNECESARY downside of it; the free ride to the guy who, simply by luck, wound up racing a slower car (and, the dial-ins can be fractions of a second apart) and benefitted from that first-to-leave car's red light so HE didn't have a chance to redlight, possibly worse than the first car.

If there's anything fair about that, then 2 + 2 = 5.

The spectators will only see ONE redlight and ONE win light. If that confuses them, then maybe they should be at a NASCAR race, I dunno.

Thanks for your comments, Adger and everyone. I, also, am outta here.

Thanks for listening!

Bunkster · 11-07-2010, 09:17 PM

That this thread became what it is, actually makes a lot of sense.

It started out with putting early cars back into stock. We all know that certainly is not going to be a bunch of new A through E or so cars; They're going to be slower cars.

Who would want to build one of those wonderful old cars with this built-in disadvantage? You want to bring back "Monster Mash" with this defective starting system?

You think anyone with half a brain would resurrect "Tokyo Rose" to give welfare checks to some new hot dog only because they fouled first?

The first leaving car needs to "man up" and get real: Your days of welfare and a free ride needs to end.

Ed Fernandez · 11-07-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunkster

That this thread became what it is, actually makes a lot of sense.

It started out with putting early cars back into stock. We all know that certainly is not going to be a bunch of new A through E or so cars; They're going to be slower cars.

Who would want to build one of those wonderful old cars with this built-in disadvantage? You want to bring back "Monster Mash" with this defective starting system?

You think anyone with half a brain would resurrect "Tokyo Rose" to give welfare checks to some new hot dog only because they fouled first?

The first leaving car needs to "man up" and get real: Your days of welfare and a free ride needs to end.

Go down to Conway Ark. and meet up with the broken record and buy a case of
Wild Irish Rose.Go to the nearest track and drink yourself into a stupor convincing them to
try your new "fairness" system.Then report back when you sober up.

Bunkster · 11-07-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Go down to Conway Ark. and meet up with the broken record and buy a case of
Wild Irish Rose.Go to the nearest track and drink yourself into a stupor convincing them to
try your new "fairness" system.Then report back when you sober up.

It would appear you have already used up all of the Irish Rose: Ergo…I remain quite sober. Two things though, Little Eddie, you ought to heed.
One would be for you to follow Dean Wormer’s advice:

The other suggestion would be, to follow the conclusion offered by the theme song from the movie M.A.S.H.. Do it, Little Eddie….do it!

11-07-2010, 01:16 PM	#1
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes Bill, I'm breaking one of my own rules with this post. You, Bill, of all people should know better than go against a standard that has been with the sport from the begenning. yea, i'm calling you an old guy because you and I both remember running on flags. Yes, flags. Ok... Bill think back, way back. What was one of the things a good driver did to trick his opponent into leaving early? Remeber, he would pull to the line and give it a little hop to cause the other guy to jump, then wait on the guy with the flag. I know you have seen it done many times. Like me you have probably done it. What was that little hop? By today's standards it was "The First Red Light" Usually the guy running the flag caught the guy with the "Worst Red Light" because he was the guy that launched and was blowing down the track. Some where back in time someone at NHRA figured that out and guess what, made a rule.. First, not worst. Bill, I've even seen the guy that was on the line start a very slow roll when the "Spot" was Way out there, and the flagger was even farther out. Bill, it's just going against the standard of our sport to change. The worst thing I can think of is it is just going to confuse the spectators that follow sportsman racing. Gosh we all know we need to simplify things for the spectator, not make it more complicated. Just look at how complicated Comp is for spectators. Not that many understand the CIC system. __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

11-07-2010, 01:21 PM	#2
Peter Ash Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 262 Likes: 2 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes You snooze you lose, you choke you lose. Get over it!

11-07-2010, 09:17 PM	#7
Bunkster Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 307 Likes: 0 Liked 43 Times in 10 Posts	Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes That this thread became what it is, actually makes a lot of sense. It started out with putting early cars back into stock. We all know that certainly is not going to be a bunch of new A through E or so cars; They're going to be slower cars. Who would want to build one of those wonderful old cars with this built-in disadvantage? You want to bring back "Monster Mash" with this defective starting system? You think anyone with half a brain would resurrect "Tokyo Rose" to give welfare checks to some new hot dog only because they fouled first? The first leaving car needs to "man up" and get real: Your days of welfare and a free ride needs to end.