What Do You Think About This?

Toby Lang · 11-10-2010, 09:32 PM

I was wondering what you guys think about this story. I wasn't going to post anything about this, but since he's already written about it on an internet magazine, I don't see why I shouldn't be able to point you to it:

http://www.moparmax.com/columns/mopartoya/v_10-1.html

There are a few details he left out about the end of this story. I may tell you more about it after there are a few responses.

-Toby

Chad Rhodes · 11-10-2010, 09:49 PM

can't wait to hear the details but I wouldn't tell anyone i did anything like that.

Ed Fernandez · 11-10-2010, 10:18 PM

Is it legal/safe to use regular pipe insulation for roll bar padding?Is it dense enough?
As far as the carb goes.It was a T&T and was used to see if they did have carb issues.No harm done.I bet their times had the other H car guys buzzing though.And they did go home.

Toby Lang · 11-10-2010, 10:35 PM

Ed,

You need to read it again. They didn't put on the AVS carb until after they made their first qualifying pass on Saturday. They picked up 1.25 seconds and 15 MPH between the first and second qualifier.

-Toby

Bob Don · 11-10-2010, 10:39 PM

You get 10 points for tech and 10 for no-show first round. There are no points for qualifying so I would agree with Ed that there was no harm done. I also agree with Chad about not telling anyone - especially on the internet!

Mike Carr · 11-10-2010, 11:03 PM

It also would have affected the ladder, moving up instead of bing at/near the bottom.

Chad Rhodes · 11-10-2010, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

It also would have affected the ladder, moving up instead of bing at/near the bottom.

very true, aside from the fact that it just ain't right

Bob Don · 11-10-2010, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

It also would have affected the ladder, moving up instead of bing at/near the bottom.

You're right about that, Mike. It definitely would have affected who ran who in first round so I'll rescind my statement of "no harm done".

Mike Carr · 11-10-2010, 11:29 PM

Final Order:
http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2010#indextop

Ladder: http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2010#indextop

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2010#indextop

Using the 13.2 run during the morning session, that would have put him dead last (#28), at more than a second over the Index. With the illegal carb, he ended up #18. Instead of running Don Elgin, he was paired with Larry Peterson.

As it was, Larry won his round, and Don got his round win anyways (over Toby, no small feat), that he should have won anyway. But who knows how the rest of the ladder and rounds would have gone with the "correct" ladder. Larry would have run Mark Faul first round with the correct ladder, so who's to say he would have won. And etc etc etc

Jim Wahl · 11-10-2010, 11:32 PM

Bottom line........ they were illegal and as he admitted, they were cheating. If it had been a TnT day instead of qualifying I would say no problem. However they were cheating and made qualifying passes at an official NHRA race and affected the ladder. To brag about it on the internet is just plain stupid. If I were the Division Tech Director I would tell them to bring a set of gaskets with them the next time out. Jim

11-10-2010, 10:18 PM	#3
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? Is it legal/safe to use regular pipe insulation for roll bar padding?Is it dense enough? As far as the carb goes.It was a T&T and was used to see if they did have carb issues.No harm done.I bet their times had the other H car guys buzzing though.And they did go home. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

11-10-2010, 10:35 PM	#4
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: What Do You Think About This? Ed, You need to read it again. They didn't put on the AVS carb until after they made their first qualifying pass on Saturday. They picked up 1.25 seconds and 15 MPH between the first and second qualifier. -Toby

11-10-2010, 10:39 PM	#5
Bob Don VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Greater Boston Posts: 1,495 Likes: 1,114 Liked 900 Times in 191 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? You get 10 points for tech and 10 for no-show first round. There are no points for qualifying so I would agree with Ed that there was no harm done. I also agree with Chad about not telling anyone - especially on the internet! __________________ Bob Don 128 SS

11-10-2010, 11:03 PM	#6
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? It also would have affected the ladder, moving up instead of bing at/near the bottom. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

11-10-2010, 11:29 PM	#9
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? Final Order: http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2010#indextop Ladder: http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2010#indextop http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2010#indextop Using the 13.2 run during the morning session, that would have put him dead last (#28), at more than a second over the Index. With the illegal carb, he ended up #18. Instead of running Don Elgin, he was paired with Larry Peterson. As it was, Larry won his round, and Don got his round win anyways (over Toby, no small feat), that he should have won anyway. But who knows how the rest of the ladder and rounds would have gone with the "correct" ladder. Larry would have run Mark Faul first round with the correct ladder, so who's to say he would have won. And etc etc etc __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912 Last edited by Mike Carr; 11-10-2010 at 11:39 PM.

11-10-2010, 09:32 PM	#1
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	What Do You Think About This? I was wondering what you guys think about this story. I wasn't going to post anything about this, but since he's already written about it on an internet magazine, I don't see why I shouldn't be able to point you to it: http://www.moparmax.com/columns/mopartoya/v_10-1.html There are a few details he left out about the end of this story. I may tell you more about it after there are a few responses. -Toby Last edited by Toby Lang; 11-11-2010 at 01:42 AM.

11-10-2010, 09:49 PM	#2
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? can't wait to hear the details but I wouldn't tell anyone i did anything like that. __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

11-10-2010, 11:32 PM	#10
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? Bottom line........ they were illegal and as he admitted, they were cheating. If it had been a TnT day instead of qualifying I would say no problem. However they were cheating and made qualifying passes at an official NHRA race and affected the ladder. To brag about it on the internet is just plain stupid. If I were the Division Tech Director I would tell them to bring a set of gaskets with them the next time out. Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.