What Do You Think About This? - Page 3

larry dowty · 11-11-2010, 12:53 AM

Toby, I believe you are right. DQ for that race only. As you know, we had that very thing happen, this year, at the Seattle points race, and he was sent home, no fine or suspension.

Andys dad · 11-11-2010, 01:10 AM

His friends and companions should explain to him - in no uncertain terms - the error of his ways

A divisional points race is no place for crap like this

We do not need tech to talk to him - we need to - as a racing fraternity

A band of brothers regardless of our brand preference - who all believe this is just plain wrong

I am surprised MOPAR wants there name on the article

:-) peace

Ed Wright · 11-11-2010, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Bottom line........ they were illegal and as he admitted, they were cheating. If it had been a TnT day instead of qualifying I would say no problem. However they were cheating and made qualifying passes at an official NHRA race and affected the ladder. To brag about it on the internet is just plain stupid. If I were the Division Tech Director I would tell them to bring a set of gaskets with them the next time out. Jim

There ya go.

Jack Matyas · 11-11-2010, 09:34 AM

Toby - It was wrong . Period ............And why they would brag about it is beyond me -- maybe some of you racers on the left coast need to have a serious chat with these folks about affecting the outcome of championships etc .................

Dave Ficacci · 11-11-2010, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Using the wrong carb is nothing new. People have been kicked out for it many times before. I think most people do it to move up the qualifying sheet then put the legal carb back on for eliminations.

As far as I know the penalty for getting caught with the wrong carb is only a DQ from that race. There is no suspension. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Bolting on a bigger carb is probably the easiest way to cheat. I think it should deserve more than a one race suspension.

-Toby

I think this happens WAY more often than people think. I would like to see hoods opened for some sort of inspection after time runs at divisional events. Check a carb, pull a valve cover, check for aluminum driveshafts, etc. I'd bet you would see quite a few cars slow down. As this thread points out, it usually the cars at the bottom of the ladder that cheat more than the guys at the top!

Ed Wright · 11-11-2010, 10:35 AM

I don't know about div 6, but he could have driven past the scales here in Div 4 and the run would not have made it to the qualifying ladder.

Chad Rhodes · 11-11-2010, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Ficacci

I think this happens WAY more often than people think. I would like to see hoods opened for some sort of inspection after time runs at divisional events. Check a carb, pull a valve cover, check for aluminum driveshafts, etc. I'd bet you would see quite a few cars slow down. As this thread points out, it usually the cars at the bottom of the ladder that cheat more than the guys at the top!

I know that in Div 4 Wesley has mad us carry our carbs to tech, he painted them, then did "hood checks" throughout the weekend.

Dion Hildebrandt · 11-11-2010, 11:14 AM

The illegal carb thing is Wrong! As a Div 6 H/SA competitor I was not in Medford, if I was I would be PISSED! That being said I have met Chris and I think he is a great guy, he and his team are always out to have fun. Those out here in the 6 have seen me trying and fighting with my car getting it to run, sometimes it works ,sometimes not, and sometimes it breaks. In all of that my thought process has never been to use illegal parts. I was at the Seattle divisional when the team mentioned was punted and i feel the same then as I do now...WHY? Running under index knowing your car is legit is almost euphoric ,as it is something not everyone can do, almost as good as winning an event. At the very least he admittted the wrong doing but at the end of the day is the price worth it? Respect of the fellow racers isnt easily gotten but easily lost, the tech dept. will bring out the microscope (hopefully) and the outcome of an important race was changed.

Greg Reimer 7376 · 11-11-2010, 07:37 PM

Swapping stuff at a T&T is one thing. Doing it at a points meet qualifying day isn't. It affected the ladder and pairings.I guess he just didn't think of that.What makes me wonder how that man thinks is why he published photos and put that story on the Internet.What he needs to probably do is take that legal carb and give it and the proper money to one of the carb guys out there that would make it fast and legal- Clark Holroyd, Dean Oliver,Val Hedworth,etc,although if I were them,I might not want their business.

bigshow2966 · 11-11-2010, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

How about using the pipe insulation?is it legal?safe?

I believe that this year it is legal. Hasn't the rule been changed for next year?

11-11-2010, 12:53 AM	#21
larry dowty Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: chewelah wa Posts: 283 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? Toby, I believe you are right. DQ for that race only. As you know, we had that very thing happen, this year, at the Seattle points race, and he was sent home, no fine or suspension. __________________ larry dowty 6388 SS

11-11-2010, 01:10 AM	#22
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? His friends and companions should explain to him - in no uncertain terms - the error of his ways A divisional points race is no place for crap like this We do not need tech to talk to him - we need to - as a racing fraternity A band of brothers regardless of our brand preference - who all believe this is just plain wrong I am surprised MOPAR wants there name on the article :-) peace __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham Last edited by Andys dad; 11-11-2010 at 01:26 AM.

11-11-2010, 09:34 AM	#24
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,930 Likes: 406 Liked 2,051 Times in 399 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? Toby - It was wrong . Period ............And why they would brag about it is beyond me -- maybe some of you racers on the left coast need to have a serious chat with these folks about affecting the outcome of championships etc ................. __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

11-11-2010, 10:35 AM	#26
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? I don't know about div 6, but he could have driven past the scales here in Div 4 and the run would not have made it to the qualifying ladder. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

11-11-2010, 11:14 AM	#28
Dion Hildebrandt Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: calgary alberta canada Posts: 383 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? The illegal carb thing is Wrong! As a Div 6 H/SA competitor I was not in Medford, if I was I would be PISSED! That being said I have met Chris and I think he is a great guy, he and his team are always out to have fun. Those out here in the 6 have seen me trying and fighting with my car getting it to run, sometimes it works ,sometimes not, and sometimes it breaks. In all of that my thought process has never been to use illegal parts. I was at the Seattle divisional when the team mentioned was punted and i feel the same then as I do now...WHY? Running under index knowing your car is legit is almost euphoric ,as it is something not everyone can do, almost as good as winning an event. At the very least he admittted the wrong doing but at the end of the day is the price worth it? Respect of the fellow racers isnt easily gotten but easily lost, the tech dept. will bring out the microscope (hopefully) and the outcome of an important race was changed. __________________ Dion Hildebrandt 6009 STK H/SA Last edited by Dion Hildebrandt; 11-11-2010 at 11:15 AM. Reason: spelling

11-11-2010, 07:37 PM	#29
Greg Reimer 7376 VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora,Calif. Posts: 1,136 Likes: 172 Liked 705 Times in 219 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? Swapping stuff at a T&T is one thing. Doing it at a points meet qualifying day isn't. It affected the ladder and pairings.I guess he just didn't think of that.What makes me wonder how that man thinks is why he published photos and put that story on the Internet.What he needs to probably do is take that legal carb and give it and the proper money to one of the carb guys out there that would make it fast and legal- Clark Holroyd, Dean Oliver,Val Hedworth,etc,although if I were them,I might not want their business.