Out With the New and In With the Old.

Rich Biebel · 11-17-2010, 08:00 PM

C/SM class runoffs at the SummerNationals........You really had to be there to see real drag racing as it once was....

I was and I do recall Jim's car in the feld of close to 30 cars......

Modified eliminator was the best....and C/SM was a show all by itself....

Woodro Josey · 11-17-2010, 08:10 PM

Wish i could find my 68 Z28, i sold it to an Airman at Warner Robins AFB in early 1970, i have not heard from him since! I do recall he was from up north tho!

Isaac Zane · 11-17-2010, 09:21 PM

It certainly is special getting HIS car back. Good Luck finding yours Woodro! Jim's friend had a '68 Z/28 and it was really neat seeing the 68 and 69 sitting or riding together! Our little town of 1500 people had a number of performance cars riding around in the day. There were two 68 Firebirds, 400's I think before those guys switched to 69 AMX's. A couple of Mopars, a Road Runner and a GTX along with another AMX and a SS Nova along with a Corvette. My sister, as Miss Four Seasons Campground, rode on the wing of a Superbird in a July 4th parade.

I think that there were 32 or more C/SM at the Summers. I seem to remember Jim saying that there would be 6 rounds of class and that the winner probably needed a fresh engine for eliminations....

Dennis P Chapman · 11-17-2010, 11:59 PM

Jim
Have fun with it the second time around.

Bob Bender · 11-18-2010, 12:29 AM

Wish I could find my old Z/S or the W/S cars I had...........

Rich Biebel · 11-18-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Isaac Zane

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I think that there were 32 or more C/SM at the Summers. I seem to remember Jim saying that there would be 6 rounds of class and that the winner probably needed a fresh engine for eliminations....

The shop I worked at.....3 of us had cars. I ran my 69 Camaro in SS/JA ( it was never very fast)
We also had a C/ED car...front engined for a time.....

and a C/SM......the C/SM was driven by Dennis Siderko and I traveled with him quite a bit. We spent an enormous amount of time working on that car and especially the engines for it. Dennis was number 3 on the qualifying sheet in '79 I think it was, and got down to 4 cars in class. We were subsequently tossed in the barn for a really miniscule infraction......but none the less no matter how much we plead our case we were out.....very heartbraking to say the least to us all and especially the shop owner.......I still recall the ET's.....GarleyDaniels went 10.32.....Billy Mansell was #2 and we went 10.42 for #3.......

The last 4 cars?....not sure here but we lost to Walt Siler in a close one.... and I can't recall who won that year. Maybe Roger White.......Garley redlit in rd 1 or 2 probably to save parts....His car was awesome and almost always faster than anyone else....

Dennis made one run on the back bumper into 3rd gear and ran a 10.60......

Billy Mansell won the eliminator.......

I loved the time I spent hanging in the lanes during Modified Eliminator in those days.......

Isaac Zane · 11-18-2010, 02:09 PM

Modified was indeed a special class. Hood scoops, shifting gears, wheelstands in every gear......

Now that I think about it, I made the last run in that car for our family. We put the engine from my street car in the Z, along with a slightly bigger cam. It was the first time I drove the car as we were trying to get some grade points for me so I could gain entry into next years Summers in the Opel. It was quite a pass for me with the firm launch and wheelstand on an 11.80 pass. Sure was different than my 70 1/2 RS/SS Camaro that had stock suspension. Next pass, the rod bearings decided that they didn't like 8,600 rpm with the stock rods and that 5.86 gear and parted ways. Boy that mechanical tach sure does go back to zero quickly with 6 spun rod bearings. What a blast it was!

Angelo DiTocco · 11-18-2010, 03:36 PM

Congrats on getting your old car back!

That has to be a great feeling

Are you going to race it again? If so, what class.....

or is it going to be restored?

Isaac Zane · 12-06-2010, 10:03 PM

Let's see.... First there was a Super Stock 327 possibility which has changed to a 350 possibility. This would be run with a 4-speed, as it should be!! This would run in SS/J. Jim never really liked the automatic! He could possibly switch it back to Stock and run an IHRA Stock GT class with a Buick 350 engine. Another possibility would be to run a 377ci Modified engine that is sitting in his shop. This engine ran 8.18 as a SS/AM a few years back. This would require a little suspension work and isn't likely.

Being restored?? Doubt it, he probably just wants to have fun with it! I don't blame him.

11-17-2010, 08:00 PM	#1
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,320 Likes: 25 Liked 557 Times in 217 Posts	Re: Out With the New and In With the Old. C/SM class runoffs at the SummerNationals........You really had to be there to see real drag racing as it once was.... I was and I do recall Jim's car in the feld of close to 30 cars...... Modified eliminator was the best....and C/SM was a show all by itself.... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R

11-17-2010, 11:59 PM	#4
Dennis P Chapman VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toms River NJ Posts: 1,594 Likes: 428 Liked 53 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Out With the New and In With the Old. Jim Have fun with it the second time around. __________________ Dennis P Chapman 1904 STK NHRA National Record Holder Car Owner.

11-18-2010, 12:29 AM	#5
Bob Bender VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,737 Likes: 1,602 Liked 460 Times in 91 Posts	Re: Out With the New and In With the Old. Wish I could find my old Z/S or the W/S cars I had........... __________________ Bob Bender 144 O/SA 2010-2012 National Record Holder

11-18-2010, 02:09 PM	#7
Isaac Zane Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 361 Likes: 392 Liked 50 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Out With the New and In With the Old. Modified was indeed a special class. Hood scoops, shifting gears, wheelstands in every gear...... Now that I think about it, I made the last run in that car for our family. We put the engine from my street car in the Z, along with a slightly bigger cam. It was the first time I drove the car as we were trying to get some grade points for me so I could gain entry into next years Summers in the Opel. It was quite a pass for me with the firm launch and wheelstand on an 11.80 pass. Sure was different than my 70 1/2 RS/SS Camaro that had stock suspension. Next pass, the rod bearings decided that they didn't like 8,600 rpm with the stock rods and that 5.86 gear and parted ways. Boy that mechanical tach sure does go back to zero quickly with 6 spun rod bearings. What a blast it was! __________________ Isaac Zane STK 1237 J/SA Buick Apollo Patriot Guard Rider DOOF 43 Last edited by Isaac Zane; 11-18-2010 at 02:12 PM. Reason: didn't allow for the turn of the earth.

11-18-2010, 03:36 PM	#8
Angelo DiTocco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NY, NY Posts: 750 Likes: 175 Liked 189 Times in 48 Posts	Re: Out With the New and In With the Old. Congrats on getting your old car back! That has to be a great feeling Are you going to race it again? If so, what class..... or is it going to be restored? __________________ Angelo DiTocco '98 Firebird SS/HA '98 Firebird B/SA

11-17-2010, 08:10 PM	#2
Woodro Josey Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 805 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Out With the New and In With the Old. Wish i could find my 68 Z28, i sold it to an Airman at Warner Robins AFB in early 1970, i have not heard from him since! I do recall he was from up north tho! __________________ Woodro Josey 2002 STK

11-17-2010, 09:21 PM	#3
Isaac Zane Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 361 Likes: 392 Liked 50 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Out With the New and In With the Old. It certainly is special getting HIS car back. Good Luck finding yours Woodro! Jim's friend had a '68 Z/28 and it was really neat seeing the 68 and 69 sitting or riding together! Our little town of 1500 people had a number of performance cars riding around in the day. There were two 68 Firebirds, 400's I think before those guys switched to 69 AMX's. A couple of Mopars, a Road Runner and a GTX along with another AMX and a SS Nova along with a Corvette. My sister, as Miss Four Seasons Campground, rode on the wing of a Superbird in a July 4th parade. I think that there were 32 or more C/SM at the Summers. I seem to remember Jim saying that there would be 6 rounds of class and that the winner probably needed a fresh engine for eliminations.... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Isaac Zane STK 1237 J/SA Buick Apollo Patriot Guard Rider DOOF 43

12-06-2010, 10:03 PM	#9
Isaac Zane Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 361 Likes: 392 Liked 50 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Out With the New and In With the Old. Let's see.... First there was a Super Stock 327 possibility which has changed to a 350 possibility. This would be run with a 4-speed, as it should be!! This would run in SS/J. Jim never really liked the automatic! He could possibly switch it back to Stock and run an IHRA Stock GT class with a Buick 350 engine. Another possibility would be to run a 377ci Modified engine that is sitting in his shop. This engine ran 8.18 as a SS/AM a few years back. This would require a little suspension work and isn't likely. Being restored?? Doubt it, he probably just wants to have fun with it! I don't blame him. __________________ Isaac Zane STK 1237 J/SA Buick Apollo Patriot Guard Rider DOOF 43