Stk/ss ahfs - Poll

Chad Rhodes · 11-18-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

Why not use the 1/8th mile times when reviewing a combination?

I'd say use 1000' numbers and compare them to known good runs to catch the sandbaggers but that would make too much sense.

Ed Fernandez · 11-18-2010, 05:38 PM

As bad as the situation is with the new HP factors unless they're put into their own class it will never be resolved in the near future.As far as I see in the rule book there is no rule against bagging.You can't arbitrarily hand out HP based on 1K ft times.Every car is different.
This arguement is gong to be as bad as the one about the chicken and the egg.

GUMP · 11-18-2010, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

I'd say use 1000' numbers and compare them to known good runs to catch the sandbaggers but that would make too much sense.

It would make the racing better for sure. I watched some qualifying at Charlotte earlier this year and was shocked at how many people were "protecting" their combination.

Ed Wright · 11-18-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

It would make the racing better for sure. I watched some qualifying at Charlotte earlier this year and was shocked at how many people were "protecting" their combination.

1000' times are a pretty good indicator. 1000' to 1320' don't vary much between cars running similar times. The sand baggers use 1000' times to know what to dial and know where they stand in a heads up pairing.

Alan Roehrich · 11-18-2010, 06:58 PM

You could use 1/8 mile and 1000' as part of your data collection, but you cannot just toss them in and use them.

KingReptile · 11-19-2010, 01:16 AM

1.0 sec under is a good run 1.20 is still good for a trigger for me.I know im not holding back next year never have never will balls out every run

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greg fulk · 11-19-2010, 04:06 AM

Jim I think 1.01 under gets you a review.....1.15 under gets you instant Hp. This gives "some room" we all know that their are conditions (aka tail wind, great track, ect) that well sometimes it's an accident ( the 327/275hp guys still feel the affects of this) but that being said 1.15 now is 1.45 under the old indexes & that needs Hp! (my .02 cents)

Gary Parker · 11-19-2010, 06:25 AM

I believe there are many cars under factored. But lets see, build a car, buy the trick trany, spend money on the rear so it is as good as it gets, spend time on the dyno, change cams, ring combos and have all the best parts. And your reward for all this hard work and money spent is you can run 1 sec. under. So lets add horsepower to that combo so it slows him down to run with the people who run slower on a budget. Its not a real hard thing to figure what combo needs HP. Lets try common scense on adjusting HP

Jim Bailey · 11-19-2010, 06:30 AM

Greg: The New AHFC approved by NHRA for 2011 now out. That's not what this survey is about. I just wondered what the general feeling between racers was. You know, What's a FAST run in your mind. I personally think -.8 to -.9 is fast under the new indexes, and that - 1.0 under is very fast. So with that said, I think the instant HP trigger based on the current and new system should be -1.1 under. That's purely my feelings. What's your's?

Jim Bailey · 11-19-2010, 07:33 AM

Opps: Sorry about the typo - 2011 AHFS.

View Poll Results: Whats a Fast run under the current index?
-1.0 under index	108	77.14%
-1.5 under index	29	20.71%
-2.0 under index	2	1.43%
Faster than -2.0 under	1	0.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

11-18-2010, 05:38 PM	#2
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Stk/ss ahfs - Poll As bad as the situation is with the new HP factors unless they're put into their own class it will never be resolved in the near future.As far as I see in the rule book there is no rule against bagging.You can't arbitrarily hand out HP based on 1K ft times.Every car is different. This arguement is gong to be as bad as the one about the chicken and the egg. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

11-18-2010, 06:58 PM	#5
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,105 Likes: 1,564 Liked 1,789 Times in 408 Posts	Re: Stk/ss ahfs - Poll You could use 1/8 mile and 1000' as part of your data collection, but you cannot just toss them in and use them. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

11-19-2010, 01:16 AM	#6
KingReptile Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 257 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stk/ss ahfs - Poll 1.0 sec under is a good run 1.20 is still good for a trigger for me.I know im not holding back next year never have never will balls out every run ..

11-19-2010, 04:06 AM	#7
greg fulk VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: jackson Posts: 1,165 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Stk/ss ahfs - Poll Jim I think 1.01 under gets you a review.....1.15 under gets you instant Hp. This gives "some room" we all know that their are conditions (aka tail wind, great track, ect) that well sometimes it's an accident ( the 327/275hp guys still feel the affects of this) but that being said 1.15 now is 1.45 under the old indexes & that needs Hp! (my .02 cents) __________________ Greg Fulk 308 308X P/SA "ALL AMERICAN"

11-19-2010, 06:25 AM	#8
Gary Parker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Westfield Mass Posts: 529 Likes: 368 Liked 423 Times in 56 Posts	Re: Stk/ss ahfs - Poll I believe there are many cars under factored. But lets see, build a car, buy the trick trany, spend money on the rear so it is as good as it gets, spend time on the dyno, change cams, ring combos and have all the best parts. And your reward for all this hard work and money spent is you can run 1 sec. under. So lets add horsepower to that combo so it slows him down to run with the people who run slower on a budget. Its not a real hard thing to figure what combo needs HP. Lets try common scense on adjusting HP __________________ Gary Parker 1617 STK

11-19-2010, 06:30 AM	#9
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Stk/ss ahfs - Poll Greg: The New AHFC approved by NHRA for 2011 now out. That's not what this survey is about. I just wondered what the general feeling between racers was. You know, What's a FAST run in your mind. I personally think -.8 to -.9 is fast under the new indexes, and that - 1.0 under is very fast. So with that said, I think the instant HP trigger based on the current and new system should be -1.1 under. That's purely my feelings. What's your's?

11-19-2010, 07:33 AM	#10
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Stk/ss ahfs - Poll Opps: Sorry about the typo - 2011 AHFS.