2011 ahfs

Bob Pagano · 11-20-2010, 05:49 PM

Mark You are also right, what is really happening is nhra is pushing Stock farther and farther away from its intent, gone are all the things we thought made it what we wanted when we all started to race. Inch by inch rule by rule its been cut up and given away. They dont want tech and tare downs. We will be pushed into SS soon enough, the new cars are already there. This ahfs do over is the beginning of the end for Stock as a performance class. No one even cares enough to see it for what it is.

Thaks Art, you beat me to the button, your right on

Craig Couris · 11-20-2010, 06:14 PM

If Ford & Chrysler had any sense at all, they would demand that the new cars are put into new FX classes before the entire Eliminator ceases to exist. When this happens, who will their customers be?

Bob Pagano · 11-20-2010, 06:25 PM

Mark all we can do is continue to yell and hope someone is enlightened.
Craig you have a foot in both cars and you can see what is needed, why are others so blind ?

B Aceves · 11-20-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

Mark all we can do is continue to yell and hope someone is enlightened.
Craig you have a foot in both cars and you can see what is needed, why are others so blind ?

There is only one way that we have a chance at being heard. It would take a complete
walkout from S/SS from a few National Events to get some attention, and we all know that would never happen, Mark as bad as this sounds I am totally convinced now that NHRA could give two s--ts about whats right or wrong and I once had a Boss that stood up at a union meeting and said if you guys dont like it there is the door and dont let it hit you in the A-s on the way out, I now fell like im at that meeting again even though I did walk through the door.

Angelo DiTocco · 11-20-2010, 06:35 PM

Let me throw this out there................

what if heads-up runs were eliminated from competition

would it be preferable to having to slowing your stuff down?

all the time, money, R&D, pride..... to slow the car down??
I would like to be able to go fast - work on my car - and then try to go faster -

There are difinitely more heads ups in stock than SS but really what percentage of
eliminations are heads up runs. It has to be a very small percentage.
What's the point in dying on the hill over this crap.

A prominant & extremely accomplished A/S racer suggested this 10 years ago.
I'm not going to say his name because he probably wants no part of this.

Eliminating heads up runs would allow everyone the opportunity to do their very best
to approach this the way it is most meaningful to them while hurting and discriminating against no one.
Look at Top Sportsman - gaining in popularity and gaining in acceptance and definitely welcomed with red carpet treatment by NHRA - 7 second 200mph cars 1000hp etc and they are dialing in and no one gives it a second thought.

Please - don't bring up class elims issue on this one - I don't give a crap about class elims anymore because its been reduced (w/ the exception of Indy) to a sporadic side show dominted by single runs.... and sometimes fastest qualifier when it gets thrown to the side due to schedule issues.

Andys dad · 11-20-2010, 07:04 PM

Should you just keep spending money and working harder to go faster and faster?

Is .90 under? (use to be 1.20 under) enough?

In some cases you may not be able to be the fastest in your class - then what?

Is having the fastest car the most important thing?

I guess I will have to calculate how many "heads up" rounds there were this year counting all National and Divisional events. (Nitro Joe can you help here?)

Seems to me - most of the guys who win a lot - do not have the fastest car in their class..

:-) peace

Ed Wright · 11-20-2010, 07:14 PM

Eliminate heads ups, then it will be nothing but bracket racing. Maybe I just need to quit.

Wade_Owens · 11-20-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Andys dad

Is having the fastest car the most important thing?

:-) peace

Wasnt this how and why Drag Racing started in the first place?

Wade

Andys dad · 11-20-2010, 07:23 PM

Maybe on the street but every since there have been different classes with different indexes

I would say it is more about driving - ask Dan and Jody and David and ....

Wade_Owens · 11-20-2010, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Andys dad

I would say it is more about driving - ask Dan and Jody and David and ....

Then why on earth did Dan change to E/SA? We all know he's a great driver........

Wade

11-20-2010, 05:49 PM	#1
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 246 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: 2011 ahfs Mark You are also right, what is really happening is nhra is pushing Stock farther and farther away from its intent, gone are all the things we thought made it what we wanted when we all started to race. Inch by inch rule by rule its been cut up and given away. They dont want tech and tare downs. We will be pushed into SS soon enough, the new cars are already there. This ahfs do over is the beginning of the end for Stock as a performance class. No one even cares enough to see it for what it is. Thaks Art, you beat me to the button, your right on __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

11-20-2010, 06:14 PM	#2
Craig Couris Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 122 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2011 ahfs If Ford & Chrysler had any sense at all, they would demand that the new cars are put into new FX classes before the entire Eliminator ceases to exist. When this happens, who will their customers be?

11-20-2010, 06:25 PM	#3
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 246 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: 2011 ahfs Mark all we can do is continue to yell and hope someone is enlightened. Craig you have a foot in both cars and you can see what is needed, why are others so blind ? __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

11-20-2010, 06:35 PM	#5
Angelo DiTocco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NY, NY Posts: 750 Likes: 175 Liked 189 Times in 48 Posts	Re: 2011 ahfs Let me throw this out there................ what if heads-up runs were eliminated from competition would it be preferable to having to slowing your stuff down? all the time, money, R&D, pride..... to slow the car down?? I would like to be able to go fast - work on my car - and then try to go faster - There are difinitely more heads ups in stock than SS but really what percentage of eliminations are heads up runs. It has to be a very small percentage. What's the point in dying on the hill over this crap. A prominant & extremely accomplished A/S racer suggested this 10 years ago. I'm not going to say his name because he probably wants no part of this. Eliminating heads up runs would allow everyone the opportunity to do their very best to approach this the way it is most meaningful to them while hurting and discriminating against no one. Look at Top Sportsman - gaining in popularity and gaining in acceptance and definitely welcomed with red carpet treatment by NHRA - 7 second 200mph cars 1000hp etc and they are dialing in and no one gives it a second thought. Please - don't bring up class elims issue on this one - I don't give a crap about class elims anymore because its been reduced (w/ the exception of Indy) to a sporadic side show dominted by single runs.... and sometimes fastest qualifier when it gets thrown to the side due to schedule issues. __________________ Angelo DiTocco '98 Firebird SS/HA '98 Firebird B/SA Last edited by Angelo DiTocco; 11-20-2010 at 06:37 PM.

11-20-2010, 07:04 PM	#6
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: 2011 ahfs Should you just keep spending money and working harder to go faster and faster? Is .90 under? (use to be 1.20 under) enough? In some cases you may not be able to be the fastest in your class - then what? Is having the fastest car the most important thing? I guess I will have to calculate how many "heads up" rounds there were this year counting all National and Divisional events. (Nitro Joe can you help here?) Seems to me - most of the guys who win a lot - do not have the fastest car in their class.. :-) peace __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

11-20-2010, 07:14 PM	#7
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: 2011 ahfs Eliminate heads ups, then it will be nothing but bracket racing. Maybe I just need to quit. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

11-20-2010, 07:23 PM	#9
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: 2011 ahfs Maybe on the street but every since there have been different classes with different indexes I would say it is more about driving - ask Dan and Jody and David and .... __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham