2011 ahfs

BlueOval Ralph · 11-22-2010, 01:47 PM

YOU do know what a Camel is??? It's a horse designed by committee!!!

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Originally Posted by Travis Miller

The AHFS is not out to get guys who work hard to be fast. They just happen to be caught up in the process. The AHFS is after combinations that for whatever reason have snuck in under the radar and are capable of running so fast it drastically effects all of Stock and S/S.

In the old days long before the AHFS was introduced, a combination that ran too quick was refactored by an individual in power. Later a committee took over the responsibility. These were pretty good systems but in rare cases human nature would allow personal factors to sneak in and effect the outcome. That is why the AHFS came into play.

As long as heads up runs and class eliminations at some events are a part of these eliminators, there has to be a way to control runaway combinations. Unfortunately those who seek to prove they can squeeze every ounce of power out of a correctly factored combo and go faster than their peers, then they will be penalized for their hard work. Stock and S/S may be performance based but for the masses it has to be controlled performance. Otherwise it would become an ever shrinking game where very few will eventually be able to play.

With all the issues (and sometimes dilemmas) that Stock and S/S present to sanctioning bodies, if it were not for the huge number of participants these eliminators continue to produce, they would probably have been gone long ago. Maybe it's time for a few individuals to quit trying to change every aspect of Stock and S/S to suit their own agendas and let the masses (read as the silent majority) continue to race.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Jeff Teuton · 11-22-2010, 03:39 PM

I guess any valve spring, any valve job, etc, etc,etc,etc,etc,ported heads,etc, any brakes, any etc that enhance performance makes Stock and SS very dynamic eliminators, combined with static numbers, AHFS, makes for a math guys nightmare. It's kinda like taking a really good pie and moving it off the counter and onto a short table, and then getting mad at my dog Lucky for eating the pie that he couldn't reach before. But if you leave the pie on the counter, and Lucky, being the smart Beagle he is works out , looses weight, and developes the ability to jump on the counter, should you still be mad if he gets the pie. Now you know how the AHFS works. But then I am probably not wise enough to discuss this thing anyway.

Chad Rhodes · 11-22-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

I guess any valve spring, any valve job, etc, etc,etc,etc,etc,ported heads,etc, any brakes, any etc that enhance performance makes Stock and SS very dynamic eliminators, combined with static numbers, AHFS, makes for a math guys nightmare. It's kinda like taking a really good pie and moving it off the counter and onto a short table, and then getting mad at my dog Lucky for eating the pie that he couldn't reach before. But if you leave the pie on the counter, and Lucky, being the smart Beagle he is works out , looses weight, and developes the ability to jump on the counter, should you still be mad if he gets the pie. Now you know how the AHFS works. But then I am probably not wise enough to discuss this thing anyway.

Jeff, that's hilarious..................so how many times have you told your wife "honey, the dog ate the pie...............i swear"

Jeff Teuton · 11-22-2010, 03:59 PM

I guess the only other thing is 'Do I beat Lucky?' for eating the pie, or give him a much loved ear scratching for working so hard. I guess the answer is 1.20 under or .850 under average for all his jumps. And nobody including me ever beats Lucky. You gotta admit it's pretty close. Of course Travis the Tech Guy will have to see what kind of pie it was, what size was the plate, just how much did Lucky eat, homeade or store bought. I just couldn't pass that Travis.

Alan Roehrich · 11-22-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Of course Travis the Tech Guy will have to see what kind of pie it was, what size was the plate, just how much did Lucky eat, homeade or store bought. I just couldn't pass that Travis.

See, that's where you screwed up. At Bowling Green, you should have had Travis at your trailer feeding him, but you had us and the Hills down there instead, and left Travis and Redman out.

Craig Couris · 11-22-2010, 04:58 PM

Does anyone else have an opinion on the AA/SA index of 10.60?

Chad Rhodes · 11-22-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig Couris

Does anyone else have an opinion on the AA/SA index of 10.60?

well i know it was set way low on purpose to avoid the AHFS, but 10.60 is a bit low. Maybe 10.75, or 10.80

Craig Couris · 11-22-2010, 06:06 PM

Alan,

That's exactly why the AA index was originally set at 10.90 but there were no other combinations that could run 9.30's.

Mark,

You may be missing my point relative to the AA index. The only combination (so far) that can run 9.60 in the heat is a blown car so the AHFS will never ever help the carburetor cars in the class and the blown cars will never get hit because there just isn't any reason to run any faster.

If I were smart, I'd push the Corvette into the corner and prepare the CJ for 2011 but that still doesn't fix the problem plus I'm not that smart.

11-22-2010, 03:39 PM	#2
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: 2011 ahfs I guess any valve spring, any valve job, etc, etc,etc,etc,etc,ported heads,etc, any brakes, any etc that enhance performance makes Stock and SS very dynamic eliminators, combined with static numbers, AHFS, makes for a math guys nightmare. It's kinda like taking a really good pie and moving it off the counter and onto a short table, and then getting mad at my dog Lucky for eating the pie that he couldn't reach before. But if you leave the pie on the counter, and Lucky, being the smart Beagle he is works out , looses weight, and developes the ability to jump on the counter, should you still be mad if he gets the pie. Now you know how the AHFS works. But then I am probably not wise enough to discuss this thing anyway. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

11-22-2010, 03:59 PM	#4
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: 2011 ahfs I guess the only other thing is 'Do I beat Lucky?' for eating the pie, or give him a much loved ear scratching for working so hard. I guess the answer is 1.20 under or .850 under average for all his jumps. And nobody including me ever beats Lucky. You gotta admit it's pretty close. Of course Travis the Tech Guy will have to see what kind of pie it was, what size was the plate, just how much did Lucky eat, homeade or store bought. I just couldn't pass that Travis. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

11-22-2010, 04:58 PM	#6
Craig Couris Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 122 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2011 ahfs Does anyone else have an opinion on the AA/SA index of 10.60?

11-22-2010, 06:06 PM	#8
Craig Couris Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 122 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2011 ahfs Alan, That's exactly why the AA index was originally set at 10.90 but there were no other combinations that could run 9.30's. Mark, You may be missing my point relative to the AA index. The only combination (so far) that can run 9.60 in the heat is a blown car so the AHFS will never ever help the carburetor cars in the class and the blown cars will never get hit because there just isn't any reason to run any faster. If I were smart, I'd push the Corvette into the corner and prepare the CJ for 2011 but that still doesn't fix the problem plus I'm not that smart.