Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!!

Mike Carr · 11-28-2010, 08:50 PM

Yes, car counts would suffer tremendously.

Back in October 1998 at the Dutch Classic, they did a special race. Sign up, pay the fee ($20 or $25). Top eight reaction times of those who signed up got to race. Payout was something like 40% winner, 20% r/u, 10% each semi and 20% to the track or NHRA, I can;t remember. There were about 20 cars or so that signed up.

In the spring of '99, at the first two Div 1 Opens (Delmar and Atco) and the LODRS race at Maple Grove, they did it again. This time, it was 16 cars, for the quickest under the index cars. Race was run with a CIC. I believe the CIC was the average of the field, and went into effect for first round. The car counts in S/S at those races were five, nine and seven. Stock didn't draw much better. Point is, trying to run S/SS racing like Comp will kill it.

Ed Fernandez · 11-28-2010, 09:55 PM

OK now that we've gone through this attempt to kill S/SS what's next on the totem pole.Step right up.

rowdyboys31 · 11-28-2010, 10:17 PM

Art, I think you have a good ideal, But I'd change couple little things. Here we go: lower index's 4 tenths or maybe 5 tenths! #2 Ahfs trigger would work like this, run -.05 under new index get 5hp on Monday ,run -.10 under get 10hp on , etc. etc. run a second under get a 100hp every run counts adjustment every Monday. But to be fair, If you run -.10 under on run #1, -.50 under on run #2 and run -.30 on run #3 you would only get 50hp on Monday !! Now that works for me, Maybe just maybe by the time the Indy points meet rolls around I could run the $200 entry bonus race with no breakout and now who care's about the points meet!! 70 cars@ $200 = $14,000 WOW what a payday? LOL

PONTIAC'S REVENGE · 11-29-2010, 12:45 PM

Don't take it away, just limit it! Go to .75 or 1.0 weight breaks! This would increase the headsup runs and mix it up a bit. That way u'd have to keep on your headsup toes a little more. This would bring the performance equation to the rounds. It would also limit some of the bracket racing game playing.

It's like when they put the 3 point shot into the NCAA bball, it brought the sharpshooters back in the game. Ha!

Stacy

PONTIAC'S REVENGE · 11-29-2010, 12:58 PM

AHFS would definitely have to change as well, that is so unscientific and statistically incorrect its pitiful. You can't average runs, it skews the curve. You have to do a standard deviation, much more statistically correct. My bro has advocated this FACT since they came out with it.

I'm just a washer salesman and I know that!

With the more heads up runs, this would have to be improved.

Stacy

PONTIAC'S REVENGE · 11-29-2010, 01:06 PM

I'll try and do a spread sheet on how many headsup run's would happen on .75 versus 1.0 weight breaks. Just for fun

And yes Im bored!!! hahaha!

stacy

6point6 · 11-29-2010, 09:59 PM

Bracket racer and fan of stock here. How about getting rid of the handicap start? Drivers would not know when to lift if there was no one next to them. Yes, cars will still be driven in bracket mode but at least they would be kind of forced to make a full pass for consistancy sake, would'nt they? It may not flush out much more performance but at least it would put an stop to the top end nonsense and make life more difficult for the sandbaggers. Not trying to be a smart ***, if this makes no sense please explain.

art leong · 11-29-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 6point6

Bracket racer and fan of stock here. How about getting rid of the handicap start? Drivers would not know when to lift if there was no one next to them. Yes, cars will still be driven in bracket mode but at least they would be kind of forced to make a full pass for consistancy sake, would'nt they? It may not flush out much more performance but at least it would put an stop to the top end nonsense and make life more difficult for the sandbaggers. Not trying to be a smart ***, if this makes no sense please explain.

If you did this it would be just like time trials, No racing at all.

Ed Fernandez · 11-29-2010, 11:27 PM

Here's my idea.One car lines up on the starting line.The other car lines up in the other lane on a starting line 1/2 mile down the track.Handicap start and both cars race to the finish line.No clean/dirty tree,no fast car advantage chasing and as much sense as some of the bull$hit that's being suggested.
How about we all band together and pressure the powers that be to fix the HP/AHFS mess.

11-29-2010, 12:45 PM	#4
PONTIAC'S REVENGE Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CARMEL, INDIANA Posts: 141 Likes: 69 Liked 48 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! Don't take it away, just limit it! Go to .75 or 1.0 weight breaks! This would increase the headsup runs and mix it up a bit. That way u'd have to keep on your headsup toes a little more. This would bring the performance equation to the rounds. It would also limit some of the bracket racing game playing. It's like when they put the 3 point shot into the NCAA bball, it brought the sharpshooters back in the game. Ha! Stacy Last edited by PONTIAC'S REVENGE; 11-29-2010 at 12:52 PM.

11-29-2010, 12:58 PM	#5
PONTIAC'S REVENGE Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CARMEL, INDIANA Posts: 141 Likes: 69 Liked 48 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! AHFS would definitely have to change as well, that is so unscientific and statistically incorrect its pitiful. You can't average runs, it skews the curve. You have to do a standard deviation, much more statistically correct. My bro has advocated this FACT since they came out with it. I'm just a washer salesman and I know that! With the more heads up runs, this would have to be improved. Stacy Last edited by PONTIAC'S REVENGE; 11-29-2010 at 01:09 PM.

11-29-2010, 01:06 PM	#6
PONTIAC'S REVENGE Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CARMEL, INDIANA Posts: 141 Likes: 69 Liked 48 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! I'll try and do a spread sheet on how many headsup run's would happen on .75 versus 1.0 weight breaks. Just for fun And yes Im bored!!! hahaha! stacy Last edited by PONTIAC'S REVENGE; 11-29-2010 at 01:10 PM.

11-29-2010, 09:59 PM	#7
6point6 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: middletown ct Posts: 7 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! Bracket racer and fan of stock here. How about getting rid of the handicap start? Drivers would not know when to lift if there was no one next to them. Yes, cars will still be driven in bracket mode but at least they would be kind of forced to make a full pass for consistancy sake, would'nt they? It may not flush out much more performance but at least it would put an stop to the top end nonsense and make life more difficult for the sandbaggers. Not trying to be a smart ***, if this makes no sense please explain.

11-29-2010, 11:27 PM	#9
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! Here's my idea.One car lines up on the starting line.The other car lines up in the other lane on a starting line 1/2 mile down the track.Handicap start and both cars race to the finish line.No clean/dirty tree,no fast car advantage chasing and as much sense as some of the bull$hit that's being suggested. How about we all band together and pressure the powers that be to fix the HP/AHFS mess. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

11-28-2010, 08:50 PM	#1
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! Yes, car counts would suffer tremendously. Back in October 1998 at the Dutch Classic, they did a special race. Sign up, pay the fee ($20 or $25). Top eight reaction times of those who signed up got to race. Payout was something like 40% winner, 20% r/u, 10% each semi and 20% to the track or NHRA, I can;t remember. There were about 20 cars or so that signed up. In the spring of '99, at the first two Div 1 Opens (Delmar and Atco) and the LODRS race at Maple Grove, they did it again. This time, it was 16 cars, for the quickest under the index cars. Race was run with a CIC. I believe the CIC was the average of the field, and went into effect for first round. The car counts in S/S at those races were five, nine and seven. Stock didn't draw much better. Point is, trying to run S/SS racing like Comp will kill it. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

11-28-2010, 09:55 PM	#2
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! OK now that we've gone through this attempt to kill S/SS what's next on the totem pole.Step right up. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

11-28-2010, 10:17 PM	#3
rowdyboys31 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 36 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! Art, I think you have a good ideal, But I'd change couple little things. Here we go: lower index's 4 tenths or maybe 5 tenths! #2 Ahfs trigger would work like this, run -.05 under new index get 5hp on Monday ,run -.10 under get 10hp on , etc. etc. run a second under get a 100hp every run counts adjustment every Monday. But to be fair, If you run -.10 under on run #1, -.50 under on run #2 and run -.30 on run #3 you would only get 50hp on Monday !! Now that works for me, Maybe just maybe by the time the Indy points meet rolls around I could run the $200 entry bonus race with no breakout and now who care's about the points meet!! 70 cars@ $200 = $14,000 WOW what a payday? LOL