Performance Based Stk/SS Racing

Ed Fernandez · 11-28-2010, 10:04 PM

Travis,a race like you suggest would only cause more resentment towards the guys running these runaway HP factors.When the racers (and NHRA officials) see what some of these cars are capable of they'll be at the door of NHRA HQ in Cal like the mob in the freanenstein movie,screaming for somebodies head.
Dave Ley,we all know and appreciate the job you local tech guys do.It seems the foot
dragging comes from upstairs.

PB Candies · 11-29-2010, 09:32 AM

Travis, What a great idea. I would run them at every available race.
PB Candies
SS/STK 4312

Ed Fernandez · 11-29-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PB Candies

Travis, What a great idea. I would run them at every available race.
PB Candies
SS/STK 4312

Paul,seeing that you have one of the cars in the middle of all the HP fiasco I guess you would want to run races like that.
But,if you had a car like mine,that on a real good day is an .80 under car,would you be so enthusiastic about plunking your money down?
I guess the arguement would be for me to just not enter a race like that.But it doesn't take away the fact that some run away HP factors need to be corrected.

Ed Wright · 11-29-2010, 10:07 AM

Boy, tear downs have sure changed since Red Anderson! I never measured anything. Just took it apart and got out of his way. You measure your own stuff now?

Dick Butler · 11-29-2010, 12:59 PM

Travis, In the spirit of your humor I will bring a Turbo Dodge stocker and eliminate any chance of another form of car entering. That should alert you to the fact that "fairness" here is related to the basic Flaws of the factoring system not a dial in on a window.

CBS · 11-29-2010, 01:42 PM

At least at the CIC race....we can see what these things can run.....think about that....it will be good for at least 50 pages....lol

Travis Miller · 11-29-2010, 01:50 PM

Dick, If anyone does put on one of these races, I'm sure you would be welcome to race anything you want as long it is eligible to run at a LODRS event and is legal. My suggestion for races like this is not a joke. While not a race most would even be competitive at, there are some who still want to show their performance building skills in Stock and SS. This type race would show off their talents. I have no idea how many would actually participate but at least these races would not be limited to a few classes as have been aggressively promoted in the past. Everyone including you would be welcomed.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Dick Butler · 11-29-2010, 02:41 PM

I do believe some might wish for this ONE time in a row. Without a CIC only a select set of cars could or would try it more than one time.
The aggressively sponsored TOP/STK and TOP/SS classes had several advantages over the "open" no break out you suggest.
1) The cars were grouped in classes with previously strongly factored combinations which resulted in very close competition.(New Mopar and Mustangs would kill the races until factored)
2) Many brands competed. A Dodge SS/B, Corvette SS/BA, a Camaro SS/CA all won at least one time. A T-Bolt was overdue to win based on performance before the series was ended due to Economy hit on racing in general.
3) If it were possible to get a True Cash sponsor for a series of TOP/STK and SS it would attract more racers. Several potential racers werent interested in the work to fit the class. MOST loved the format and really enjoyed the races. Middle Class and Lower class heads up could be similarly popular if MONEY were there.
Good Luck with your proposal...its all racing....

11-28-2010, 10:04 PM	#1
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing Travis,a race like you suggest would only cause more resentment towards the guys running these runaway HP factors.When the racers (and NHRA officials) see what some of these cars are capable of they'll be at the door of NHRA HQ in Cal like the mob in the freanenstein movie,screaming for somebodies head. Dave Ley,we all know and appreciate the job you local tech guys do.It seems the foot dragging comes from upstairs. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

11-29-2010, 09:32 AM	#2
PB Candies Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 87 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing Travis, What a great idea. I would run them at every available race. PB Candies SS/STK 4312

11-29-2010, 10:07 AM	#4
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing Boy, tear downs have sure changed since Red Anderson! I never measured anything. Just took it apart and got out of his way. You measure your own stuff now? __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

11-29-2010, 12:59 PM	#5
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing Travis, In the spirit of your humor I will bring a Turbo Dodge stocker and eliminate any chance of another form of car entering. That should alert you to the fact that "fairness" here is related to the basic Flaws of the factoring system not a dial in on a window.

11-29-2010, 01:42 PM	#6
CBS VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Commerce, Mi Posts: 1,387 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing At least at the CIC race....we can see what these things can run.....think about that....it will be good for at least 50 pages....lol

11-29-2010, 01:50 PM	#7
Travis Miller Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 478 Likes: 1 Liked 276 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing Dick, If anyone does put on one of these races, I'm sure you would be welcome to race anything you want as long it is eligible to run at a LODRS event and is legal. My suggestion for races like this is not a joke. While not a race most would even be competitive at, there are some who still want to show their performance building skills in Stock and SS. This type race would show off their talents. I have no idea how many would actually participate but at least these races would not be limited to a few classes as have been aggressively promoted in the past. Everyone including you would be welcomed. Travis Miller (Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

11-29-2010, 02:41 PM	#8
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing I do believe some might wish for this ONE time in a row. Without a CIC only a select set of cars could or would try it more than one time. The aggressively sponsored TOP/STK and TOP/SS classes had several advantages over the "open" no break out you suggest. 1) The cars were grouped in classes with previously strongly factored combinations which resulted in very close competition.(New Mopar and Mustangs would kill the races until factored) 2) Many brands competed. A Dodge SS/B, Corvette SS/BA, a Camaro SS/CA all won at least one time. A T-Bolt was overdue to win based on performance before the series was ended due to Economy hit on racing in general. 3) If it were possible to get a True Cash sponsor for a series of TOP/STK and SS it would attract more racers. Several potential racers werent interested in the work to fit the class. MOST loved the format and really enjoyed the races. Middle Class and Lower class heads up could be similarly popular if MONEY were there. Good Luck with your proposal...its all racing....