Class versus brackets winning a round - Page 2

Billy Nees · 12-01-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

I know my answer but if winning a round with a dial in is what is exciting and the costs are out of sight why maintain tech , rules and classes? BBC in a Chevy II or a Hemi gets there first and comes back to run second round. Are we making too much of Class rules and tech of motors?
Quickest SS/AH, Fastest T-Bolt, quickest Vette what % really care?
If anyone can compete with a DIal in is it time to just run em? no tech just no NO2. What % of overal racers care about making a rule based SS or S motor car?

Dick, I don't understand what it is that you are asking. A win is a win, they're all good, close ones, single ones, easy ones, ugly ones and heads-up ones. I don't have to go through my personal likes and dislikes again so let me just say that I like playing with strict rules and no money. I've always bracket raced my class cars and I've done fairly well. I like to win class but I'd rather win the eliminator and isn't that the real reason for being at a race?
Oh BTW, I've got the Worlds Fastest Stock Turbo Sunbird, NA Sunbird, Straight 6 Chevy and NA 301 Pontiac and all of that BS won't buy me a cup of coffee. Winning rounds and races will.

Daran Summerton · 12-01-2010, 06:52 PM

Stock - Super Stock is an addiction like it or not, quite possibly as strong as drugs, or gambling. Everyone has different levels of addiction and bank accounts has a affect on this issue. I currently am looking at running a points race and the Gators and that's about it only because I consider that an expense that would incur on any weekend getaaway. I use to run every Divisional and 3-4 Nationals but there is ZERO incentative for me to go out and make my car any faster to win maybe $200. It is a shame because I love class and the people who really try and work on their cars. The addiction is no longer what it once was and whether people realize it or not the same people who bitch none stop on here is just a natural reaction in their addiction withdrawls. See ya in the lanes, when I can.

X-TECH MAN · 12-01-2010, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Daran Summerton

Stock - Super Stock is an addiction like it or not, quite possibly as strong as drugs, or gambling. Everyone has different levels of addiction and bank accounts has a affect on this issue. I currently am looking at running a points race and the Gators and that's about it only because I consider that an expense that would incur on any weekend getaaway. I use to run every Divisional and 3-4 Nationals but there is ZERO incentative for me to go out and make my car any faster to win maybe $200. It is a shame because I love class and the people who really try and work on their cars. The addiction is no longer what it once was and whether people realize it or not the same people who bitch none stop on here is just a natural reaction in their addiction withdrawls. See ya in the lanes, when I can.

That about says it all.

Tony Janes · 12-01-2010, 07:10 PM

I agree. Hit it right in the spot that hurts.

Paul Wong · 12-01-2010, 07:34 PM

Stock and superstock are what they are for a reason. If you want to bracket race then there are places around every week to go to. You can put any engine in any car and have a good time and if it is too much of a pain to follow the rules or you cant stand the heads up game then go bracket racing. You can go around and tell everyone look how fast my 502 dressed as a 396 is for example. For the rest of us that enjoy bulding a vehicle within a set of rules let it be.

340Cuda · 12-01-2010, 08:09 PM

While I totally understand the argument that folks like Chip present that Class racing is just a glorified bracket race, it does not keep me from finding the little SuperStock racing I have been able to do and what I was able to do in the past much more satisfying that bracket racing. Heads up racing for class is yet in another league of its own way up there for me.

Of course it may be like another racer here that many of you know said when I told him that a based on improved performance an investment another racer had made in a car had been a wise one. The answer was "I don’t know if any investment in drag racing is a wise one"! Both racers are still spending big bucks racing Stock and SuperStock.

So I am a wanabe continuing to try and get an engine together that can at least run the index in the heat, but if anyone else wants to bracket race go for it, it’s certainly no easier to win.

Bill Lamb
IHRA 4340
NHRA TPD (Comp License transfer not quite as easy as it sounds)

Pat6868 · 12-01-2010, 08:18 PM

For me, nuthin beats the sound of a nasty stock or superstock engine, nuthin. Worth the effort ,right there.

LNorton · 12-01-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Hit the indexes another .80 and you'll still be bracket racing, just with less cars. Yippee.

They aren't bracket racers. They are CLASS racers... Apparently there is a difference...

THE LEGEND · 12-01-2010, 08:50 PM

Bill,
Compare apples to apples here.
There are stockers for sale all day long and the majority are $20,000 up for a 9 inch tire no-electronics race car.
A 9 inch tire bracket car is half that price.

Yes a 4.50-5.50 bracket car will cost you much more than that. I will give you that point in the argument.

Let me ask you a question. When you converted over to a BBC how much did that motor cost you? In fact I think you have one for sale don't you. I will bet you 75% of the no electronics cars around here cost less than your motor!!!

Ed Wright · 12-01-2010, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Bill,
Compare apples to apples here.
There are stockers for sale all day long and the majority are $20,000 up for a 9 inch tire no-electronics race car.
A 9 inch tire bracket car is half that price.

Yes a 4.50-5.50 bracket car will cost you much more than that. I will give you that point in the argument.

Let me ask you a question. When you converted over to a BBC how much did that motor cost you? In fact I think you have one for sale don't you. I will bet you 75% of the no electronics cars around here cost less than your motor!!!

What is a 4.50-5.50 car?

View Poll Results: Dial in and win best or Fastest of a class
Just a win on a dial is #1	8	13.33%
Only winning a class round #1 with rules	26	43.33%
Doesnt matter a win is a win	18	30.00%
BOTH are equal	8	13.33%
Voters: 60. You may not vote on this poll

12-01-2010, 06:52 PM	#12
Daran Summerton Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas nv Posts: 600 Likes: 18 Liked 66 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round Stock - Super Stock is an addiction like it or not, quite possibly as strong as drugs, or gambling. Everyone has different levels of addiction and bank accounts has a affect on this issue. I currently am looking at running a points race and the Gators and that's about it only because I consider that an expense that would incur on any weekend getaaway. I use to run every Divisional and 3-4 Nationals but there is ZERO incentative for me to go out and make my car any faster to win maybe $200. It is a shame because I love class and the people who really try and work on their cars. The addiction is no longer what it once was and whether people realize it or not the same people who bitch none stop on here is just a natural reaction in their addiction withdrawls. See ya in the lanes, when I can. __________________ 72 cutlass

12-01-2010, 07:10 PM	#14
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 77 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round I agree. Hit it right in the spot that hurts. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

12-01-2010, 07:34 PM	#15
Paul Wong Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 377 Likes: 98 Liked 400 Times in 79 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round Stock and superstock are what they are for a reason. If you want to bracket race then there are places around every week to go to. You can put any engine in any car and have a good time and if it is too much of a pain to follow the rules or you cant stand the heads up game then go bracket racing. You can go around and tell everyone look how fast my 502 dressed as a 396 is for example. For the rest of us that enjoy bulding a vehicle within a set of rules let it be.

12-01-2010, 08:09 PM	#16
340Cuda VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,649 Likes: 3,758 Liked 752 Times in 325 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round While I totally understand the argument that folks like Chip present that Class racing is just a glorified bracket race, it does not keep me from finding the little SuperStock racing I have been able to do and what I was able to do in the past much more satisfying that bracket racing. Heads up racing for class is yet in another league of its own way up there for me. Of course it may be like another racer here that many of you know said when I told him that a based on improved performance an investment another racer had made in a car had been a wise one. The answer was "I don’t know if any investment in drag racing is a wise one"! Both racers are still spending big bucks racing Stock and SuperStock. So I am a wanabe continuing to try and get an engine together that can at least run the index in the heat, but if anyone else wants to bracket race go for it, it’s certainly no easier to win. Bill Lamb IHRA 4340 NHRA TPD (Comp License transfer not quite as easy as it sounds)

12-01-2010, 08:18 PM	#17
Pat6868 Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 97 Likes: 5 Liked 72 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round For me, nuthin beats the sound of a nasty stock or superstock engine, nuthin. Worth the effort ,right there.

12-01-2010, 08:50 PM	#19
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round Bill, Compare apples to apples here. There are stockers for sale all day long and the majority are $20,000 up for a 9 inch tire no-electronics race car. A 9 inch tire bracket car is half that price. Yes a 4.50-5.50 bracket car will cost you much more than that. I will give you that point in the argument. Let me ask you a question. When you converted over to a BBC how much did that motor cost you? In fact I think you have one for sale don't you. I will bet you 75% of the no electronics cars around here cost less than your motor!!!