What I feel nhra needs to do?

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

I'm with you on this one Bernie ..........we have plenty of new cars and the Jr.Dragster progran is churning out new blood.......we certainly don't need new classes.....and without the factories sending in specs there are no rules to follow .All this plus with all due respect to Chrysler racers how many were not going to race their Chrysler 300 in Stock or SuperStock because its not in the guide ?

Jack you think the Jr Dragster program works? It is just an ego trip for the dads with long dollars. And most of the Jr Dragster kids go into .90 racing.
Again I never said anything about new classes. (what is it with you people do you figure if you say something enough it comes true)
The Chrysler 300 was just an example jack.
In ten years tell me if I was wrong.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Art, the difference isn't about whose generation is "stupider". We are all "stupid" at one point or another. I like to think that our generation wanted to learn from its mistakes and make what we had into a better deal but that takes time and a lot of trial and error. The next generation wants "instant gratification". They don't or won't take the time to figure out how to do something. They want someone to hand it to them "right now" or they don't need it. Go to your local track on a friday night.

Billy for the most part you are right. But we took weeks at the track to properly tune a car.
Now they can do it in a couple of hours on a chassis dyno.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Art, none of these import driving kids would give two ****s about stock even if their car was in the guides. you're talking about people who honestly think stickers=hp, and that a 106mm turbo has to be better than a 56mm even if it is a stock motor. They, with few exceptions, have no interest in doing "more with less". They would rather have 600WHP and still run 15's because a) they can't stage a car, much less make a pass, b)it wouldn't hook if they could, and they don't understand why, and c) it would probably throw CV axles like Tebow throws touchdowns. I'd bet a stack that even if the cars were in the guide, you wouldn't see a significant increase in car count due to them. Hell if my memory serves there were more B/SA cars at Indy than there where cars total at most of those import races (not counting the bracket cars).

X2 Let them race with their own kind ! The "Jap Junk" with fart can mufflers is one reason our economy is in such bad shape to begin with. BUY and RACE AMERICAN even if a lot is assembled in Mexico these days. OK....."Burn" me up Scotty !

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Art, the difference isn't about whose generation is "stupider". We are all "stupid" at one point or another. I like to think that our generation wanted to learn from its mistakes and make what we had into a better deal but that takes time and a lot of trial and error. The next generation wants "instant gratification". They don't or won't take the time to figure out how to do something. They want someone to hand it to them "right now" or they don't need it. Go to your local track on a friday night.

I agree1000% with this statement. Todays generation is mostly (not all) a bunch of know it alls. They dont respect anyone or anything. If I talked the way to older people or parents like some do today I would have been handed my azz in a hand basket. At lot of younger people on here are good, eager to learn, they work hard and have been brought up right by good parents (Just one Example: Bobby Warrens sons).

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by art leong

Jack you think the Jr Dragster program works? It is just an ego trip for the dads with long dollars. And most of the Jr Dragster kids go into .90 racing.
Again I never said anything about new classes. (what is it with you people do you figure if you say something enough it comes true)
The Chrysler 300 was just an example jack.
In ten years tell me if I was wrong.

Do I think the Jr.Dragster program works ? Maybe you can ask some of them - try Wendy Caliendo or Joe Santangelo or John-John Ciccarone just to name a few from here in Division One .As far as the new classes go - yes, you didn't say that but our tech people can hardly keep up with domestic new cars let alone foreign brands thrown into the mix.And as far as the ten year deal goes - well , I've been hearing about the end of Stock/SuperStock since the Seventies and it hasn't happened yet .................

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Do I think the Jr.Dragster program works ? Maybe you can ask some of them - try Wendy Caliendo or Joe Santangelo or John-John Ciccarone just to name a few from here in Division One .As far as the new classes go - yes, you didn't say that but our tech people can hardly keep up with domestic new cars let alone foreign brands thrown into the mix.And as far as the ten year deal goes - well , I've been hearing about the end of Stock/SuperStock since the Seventies and it hasn't happened yet .................

I could name a few more. Not taking anything away from them But these are all kids of existing racers. Not really new blood.
As far as tech goes They read from a book. Whats the problem?
They do not use common sense anymore. Remember when they told me my piston was .375 to high?

[art leong]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I agree1000% with this statement. Todays generation is mostly (not all) a bunch of know it alls. They dont respect anyone or anything. If I talked the way to older people or parents like some do today I would have been handed my azz in a hand basket. At lot of younger people on here are good, eager to learn, they work hard and have been brought up right by good parents (Just one Example: Bobby Warrens sons).

Terry did you ever hear the phrase. Turn on, Tune in, Drop out?
I'm sure all our parents were happy and pleased.

[buzzinhalfdozen]

My god art what exactly constitutes "new blood"? To me it's any and all new racers. My kid started in the Jr. program, he's been bracket racing ever since, even managed to win the track championship @ Summit Raceway. He would love to class race he's even ran my SS car on a few occasions..... he's "new blood". Just because he's my kid does not negate the fact that in time he'll have the knowlege and finances to have his own class car. Hope he doesn't frequent this sight much as after seeing all the pissing and moaning he'll probably rethink the matter. Over the years I've enjoyed reading the racers posts on here and even thrown in my thoughts now and then. It seems this winter there has been more bitching and moaning than ever before and most from a select few racers that thinkl NHRA is doing them wrong. If you don't like the rules, the factors, ect. ect. just stay home and pound on your keyboard, maybe stomping your feet and holding your breath may help also. There are alot of things that have happened in the last 2 years that haven't exactly pleased me, now I have a couple choices here, go elsewhere to race, just accept it and go on or park my junk. Art I've never met you so I can't pretend to know your circumstances, however I do know that like it or not all the internet bitching in the world has no sway with NHRA. Joe

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by art leong

Terry did you ever hear the phrase. Turn on, Tune in, Drop out?
I'm sure all our parents were happy and pleased.

Im happy to say I never "Turned on, Tuned in, and Dropped out even after hearing of it. I NEVER did drugs of any kind even during the all expense paid trip to South East Asia courtesy of Uncle Sam and yes I saw some bad "S##T" during the experience and I believe thats a cop out with some verterans as an excuse to stay high and become homeless screw ups. . You are close to my age.....did YOU ever make the trip or stay high in NY ? I channeled all of my focus into cars, drag racing, and the opposite sex back in the 60's before and after I came back in one piece. Great theraphy.

[boostedf22c]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Art, none of these import driving kids would give two ****s about stock even if their car was in the guides. you're talking about people who honestly think stickers=hp, and that a 106mm turbo has to be better than a 56mm even if it is a stock motor. They, with few exceptions, have no interest in doing "more with less". They would rather have 600WHP and still run 15's because a) they can't stage a car, much less make a pass, b)it wouldn't hook if they could, and they don't understand why, and c) it would probably throw CV axles like Tebow throws touchdowns. I'd bet a stack that even if the cars were in the guide, you wouldn't see a significant increase in car count due to them. Hell if my memory serves there were more B/SA cars at Indy than there where cars total at most of those import races (not counting the bracket cars).

Nice stereotype.

We'll see how this import driving "kid" does this year in SS with my car.

I do agree about this generation of kids, and what people are saying about them, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what kind of car they choose to drive.