I'm confused about IHRA's Sportsman friendliness

[Hagen Gary]

I can't call either organization more friendly than the other. Sure, IHRA is more layed back, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA spends more time with you, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA starts late and ends early, cuz nobody shows up. You park close, cuz nobody shows up. You get it? I have never had a problem with either org. besides the payout structure. Its broken in both. But this is just a slap in the face. Its not my fault if nobody shows, but how can you feel good about paying the same to get in the gate and T/S gets 6 times as much as a SS car in the semis if the same number of cars show up? Give me a break, I could have a competative car in T/S or T/D for the same money in my SS. What makes them so special? I guess if I had a brick with a CM in it, I could call it a stocker and load it up on my open trailer and feel ok with the payout. But I don't want to and a great majority of the people IHRA needs to suport them don't either.

[Ed Wright]

I've got to agree about TS & TD. I was very disappointed to learn it's just another bracket race. I never watched them, so assumed since they make such a big deal about their qualifying they actually raced heads up like the Alky cars. Their "show" would be a lot better if they actually raced heads up. Of course the beaters would stop showing up.

[Carl Juliano]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I've got to agree about TS & TD. I was very disappointed to learn it's just another bracket race. I never watched them, so assumed since they make such a big deal about their qualifying they actually raced heads up like the Alky cars. Their "show" would be a lot better if they actually raced heads up. Of course the beaters would stop showing up.

Yes Ed, its a bracket race after qualifying, just like S/SS. I agree the payout structure for all classes needs to be adjusted fairly. But if the TS "show" as you call it was heads up, it would be called "Pro Modified", which we all know is outta hand right now. Guys like me would just sell my ***** and just run S/G.(and I dont own a beater).

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

I can't call either organization more friendly than the other. Sure, IHRA is more layed back, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA spends more time with you, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA starts late and ends early, cuz nobody shows up. You park close, cuz nobody shows up. You get it? I have never had a problem with either org. besides the payout structure. Its broken in both. But this is just a slap in the face. Its not my fault if nobody shows, but how can you feel good about paying the same to get in the gate and T/S gets 6 times as much as a SS car in the semis if the same number of cars show up? Give me a break, I could have a competative car in T/S or T/D for the same money in my SS. What makes them so special? I guess if I had a brick with a CM in it, I could call it a stocker and load it up on my open trailer and feel ok with the payout. But I don't want to and a great majority of the people IHRA needs to suport them don't either.

Hagen I get your point. Two years ago in Pine Valley there were 3 cars left. I was one of them. I lost to Dwayne Custer. I went to the tower and they said because of the car count we are only paying the winner and r/u. That is the one time I wasn't to thrilled with IHRA. other than that it's been good. I feel if I pulled my car 5 hours to the race I shouldn't be punished for nobody else showing up. Like I said I like IHRA. When I broke in Dallas last year Frank gave me my entry fee and crew fee back. When I broke in Houston a few years ago NHRA said thanks for playing.

[borninamopar]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

I can't call either organization more friendly than the other. Sure, IHRA is more layed back, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA spends more time with you, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA starts late and ends early, cuz nobody shows up. You park close, cuz nobody shows up. You get it? I have never had a problem with either org. besides the payout structure. Its broken in both. But this is just a slap in the face. Its not my fault if nobody shows, but how can you feel good about paying the same to get in the gate and T/S gets 6 times as much as a SS car in the semis if the same number of cars show up? Give me a break, I could have a competative car in T/S or T/D for the same money in my SS. What makes them so special? I guess if I had a brick with a CM in it, I could call it a stocker and load it up on my open trailer and feel ok with the payout. But I don't want to and a great majority of the people IHRA needs to suport them don't either.

You answered your own question. I know our T/S -Outlaw car we race every now and then when we can AFFORD to, is because it costs a whole helluva lot more money to build and maintain a T/S car then most SS. Guess that is why they pay out more. Isn't that any class anywhere? The faster you run, the more money you get. Makes sense to me.

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by borninamopar

You answered your own question. I know our T/S -Outlaw car we race every now and then when we can AFFORD to, is because it costs a whole helluva lot more money to build and maintain a T/S car then most SS. Guess that is why they pay out more. Isn't that any class anywhere? The faster you run, the more money you get. Makes sense to me.

Dude, Your compleatly wrong on this. A simple search of RacingJunk would easily prove that. T/S cost more, sure. But the FACT is, No matter how many cars show up in both classes, T/S will take home 3 times as much money as ANY other class. Thats 300%. Do you get that? Are you really that much better than us? The separation between SS and SST aint even close to 300%. I bet you can get way more runs out of a similarly built T/S motor than a SS. Don't act like a T/S car comes close to a compairable TAFC in operation cost. If you think that most SS cars have less than 50K in them, then allow me to think of most T/S cars as S/G's with the trottle stop off (cuz thats what would qualify at Palm beach, and is going to qualify at BR). The separation in building and opperating cost aint even close to 300%. Don't even get me started on what type of car can claim more contingencies. Its illegal in S/SS to run half the list.

I'll be at BR and from what I see, you will too. So, you know my name. Come get me and we will take the qualifing sheet from T/S and SS, ride around, drink a beer, and maybee we will both do a little self educating on how much it really cost to qualify up top and on the bottom of both classes.

[THE LEGEND]

Top Fuel get more than SS too.DUH

If you want Top Sportsman paayout then go build one.

I don't understand what payou has to do with IHRA being Friendly.

Every Check I ever got was handed to me with a smile.
Chip Johnson

[Hagen Gary]

This isn't about wanting anyone elses payout. Its about attracting more cars in every class by throwing a little equality into the payout. Your not going to get any NHRA only regulars to come out for this. Your solution is to stear me away from S/SS or any .90 car and say "go build a T/S car". Great logic there buddy.

[Mike Pearson]

Gary,

After I got back from the Nitro Jam race in Palm Beach I recieved an e-mail from IHRA asking me what my opinion of the Nitro Jam program was. I responded to Scooter Peaco's E-Mail address that was given on the original e-mail. I gave him my opinion of what I thought and he responded back very quickly with a response and a thank you for the input. I would strongly suggest that you send him an e-mail with your ideas and your concerns. They do seem to be genuinely interested. We do need to support all of the associations that run our classes. With out the support the program will not grow.

[borninamopar]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Dude, Your compleatly wrong on this. A simple search of RacingJunk would easily prove that. T/S cost more, sure. But the FACT is, No matter how many cars show up in both classes, T/S will take home 3 times as much money as ANY other class. Thats 300%. Do you get that? Are you really that much better than us? The separation between SS and SST aint even close to 300%. I bet you can get way more runs out of a similarly built T/S motor than a SS. Don't act like a T/S car comes close to a compairable TAFC in operation cost. If you think that most SS cars have less than 50K in them, then allow me to think of most T/S cars as S/G's with the trottle stop off (cuz thats what would qualify at Palm beach, and is going to qualify at BR). The separation in building and opperating cost aint even close to 300%. Don't even get me started on what type of car can claim more contingencies. Its illegal in S/SS to run half the list.

I'll be at BR and from what I see, you will too. So, you know my name. Come get me and we will take the qualifing sheet from T/S and SS, ride around, drink a beer, and maybee we will both do a little self educating on how much it really cost to qualify up top and on the bottom of both classes.

Gary, we have well over, well over, hell way over 50K in our car. Hell you might be able to get the motor for that years ago. Throw in the chassis, body suspension etc....Damn right we expect to make some good money for going 200 mph , maybe, if it hooks and don't shake or throw you towards the wall at over 180mph. And we only do it when we can afford to run it. And usually at select races and outlaw events. Hell I even run it out down that sh*tty track at Hattiesburg almost every chance I can. I know its not your style but hope you can make the Mardi Gras race at the hub this year.