How much undeer the index is your record

Andys dad · 02-19-2011, 11:23 AM

Just wondered how AHFS will affect setting records

Class _ INX _ REC _ und idx
AA/SA _ 10.60 _ 9.44 _ 1.16
A/SA _ 11.00 _ 9.73 _ 1.27
B/SA _ 11.25 _ 9.87 _ 1.38
C/SA _ 11.40 _ 10.24 _ 1.16
D/SA _ 11.55 _ 10.39 _ 1.16
E/SA _ 11.70 _ 10.46 _ 1.24
F/SA _ 11.85 _ 10.96 _ 0.89
G/SA _ 12.00 _ 10.89 _ 1.11
H/SA _ 12.15 _ 11.00 _ 1.15
I/SA _ 12.30 _ 11.10 _ 1.20
J/SA _ 12.45 _ 11.31 _ 1.14
K/SA _ 12.65 _ 11.27 _ 1.38
L/SA _ 12.70 _ 11.58 _ 1.12
M/SA _ 12.85 _ 11.53 _ 1.32
N/SA _ 13.00 _ 11.78 _ 1.22
O/SA _ 13.15 _ 12.18 _ 0.97
P/SA _ 13.45 _ 12.48 _ 0.97
Q/SA _ 13.80 _ 12.62 _ 1.18
R/SA _ 14.05 _ 12.86 _ 1.19
T/SA _ 14.40 _ 13.16 _ 1.24
U/SA _ 14.85 _ 13.67 _ 1.18
V/SA _ 15.50 _ 14.25 _ 1.25
W/SA _ 16.65 _ 16.06 _ 0.59
AA/S _ 10.60 _ 9.37 _ 1.23
A/S _ 10.95 _ 9.94 _ 1.01
B/S _ 11.20 _ 10.15 _ 1.05
C/S _ 11.35 _ 10.85 _ 0.50
D/S _ 11.50 _ 10.45 _ 1.05
E/S _ 11.65 _ 11.15 _ 0.50
F/S _ 11.80 _ 11.30 _ 0.50
G/S _ 11.90 _ 10.94 _ 0.96
H/S _ 12.00 _ 11.09 _ 0.91
I/S _ 12.20 _ 11.70 _ 0.50
J/S _ 12.35 _ 11.85 _ 0.50
K/S _ 12.55 _ 11.61 _ 0.94
L/S _ 12.70 _ 11.60 _ 1.10
M/S _ 12.85 _ 11.98 _ 0.87
N/S _ 12.95 _ 12.03 _ 0.92
O/S _ 13.10 _ 12.60 _ 0.50
P/S _ 13.35 _ 12.28 _ 1.07
Q/S _ 13.65 _ 12.71 _ 0.94
R/S _ 13.95 _ 13.45 _ 0.50
T/S _ 14.40 _ 14.20 _ 0.20
U/S _ 14.65 _ 14.45 _ 0.20
V/S _ 15.25 _ 15.01 _ 0.24
W/S _ 16.40 _ 15.77 _ 0.63
AF/S _ 13.85 _ 12.95 _ 0.90
BF/S _ 14.65 _ 14.15 _ 0.50
CF/S _ 15.15 _ 14.17 _ 0.98
DF/S _ 15.60 _ 15.10 _ 0.50
EF/S _ 17.45 _ 17.25 _ 0.20
AAF/S _ 13.50 _ 13.00 _ 0.50

Thanks

:-) peace

Looks much better in terms of columns before I save it - ahh I got it - no i didn't - I give up on the formating its good enough to make the ponit

Bob Pagano · 02-19-2011, 11:32 AM

There in lies the reason no records are being set, if all runs count then you will get wacked on Tue. Someone mentioned this last week for the div 2 race in a mine shaft. Set a record and get punished, sounds about right as nhra goes.

novassdude · 02-19-2011, 01:23 PM

From the look of the list if you want to set a record put a stick in your car. A lot of those classes have room to set a record.

Adger Smith · 02-19-2011, 02:29 PM

Hey,
Why change you combination with a stick?
That is just more money we have to spend chasing a dream.
No it is actually more punishment to you pocket book for being fast.
I hate to say this because of the backlash,
but
IHRA is looking better all the time.
I can run my car fast, tinker with it at the races and learn some things as long as I don't go quicker than 1.40 under.
I can go run my car without being in bracket mode.
I won't be punished for adding to the performance of my car.
As pointed out earlier I don't have to harm an index to set a record.
I could actually set a couple of IHRA records lower than the current NHRA records with out going quicker than the magic 1.40 under.
I bet there are other racers in the same situation.
High entry fees, fees for everything you (they) can think of, High fuel costs,
I'm beginning to realize all this & AHFS enhancement has my ego deflating at the rate my pocketbook is also being deflated.

Wow, I can't believe this...give me a Prozac

doublet · 02-20-2011, 08:51 AM

The table is interesting, but being a non-racer, I have a couple of questions.

1. There are some classes where quite a bit of disparity exists between the index and the record just before and just after. For example: C/S record is .5 under the index, but B/S & D/S are both 1.05 under, and then E/S and F/S both go to .5 again. Why?

2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the index supposed to be what a reasonably prepared race car should run on average each time down the track? Does this mean that, on average, for every car that consistantly can run 1 second under it's index, that there are an equal number of cars within that index that can't get within 1 second of it?

These may be stupid questions, but like I said, I am only a spectator.

Bob Bender · 02-20-2011, 09:00 AM

Some of the records are altitude corrected that is BS!!!

doublet · 02-20-2011, 09:24 AM

Only some?

Pedigo Perf · 02-20-2011, 09:50 AM

It would be nice if NHRA allowed a few events where you could run as hard as possible to set a record without the penalties......but they don't. Thats why the records are at altitude tracks. Go get you one if you dare.

doublet · 02-20-2011, 09:54 AM

That still doesn't explain to me why the diparity between some classes.

Pedigo Perf · 02-20-2011, 10:11 AM

Jim Hughes C/S can run 1.0 under at will but you don't see him setting the record probably because it is a pain in the butt (teardown) and pays ZERO!

02-19-2011, 11:23 AM	#1
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	How much under the index is your record Just wondered how AHFS will affect setting records Class _ INX _ REC _ und idx AA/SA _ 10.60 _ 9.44 _ 1.16 A/SA _ 11.00 _ 9.73 _ 1.27 B/SA _ 11.25 _ 9.87 _ 1.38 C/SA _ 11.40 _ 10.24 _ 1.16 D/SA _ 11.55 _ 10.39 _ 1.16 E/SA _ 11.70 _ 10.46 _ 1.24 F/SA _ 11.85 _ 10.96 _ 0.89 G/SA _ 12.00 _ 10.89 _ 1.11 H/SA _ 12.15 _ 11.00 _ 1.15 I/SA _ 12.30 _ 11.10 _ 1.20 J/SA _ 12.45 _ 11.31 _ 1.14 K/SA _ 12.65 _ 11.27 _ 1.38 L/SA _ 12.70 _ 11.58 _ 1.12 M/SA _ 12.85 _ 11.53 _ 1.32 N/SA _ 13.00 _ 11.78 _ 1.22 O/SA _ 13.15 _ 12.18 _ 0.97 P/SA _ 13.45 _ 12.48 _ 0.97 Q/SA _ 13.80 _ 12.62 _ 1.18 R/SA _ 14.05 _ 12.86 _ 1.19 T/SA _ 14.40 _ 13.16 _ 1.24 U/SA _ 14.85 _ 13.67 _ 1.18 V/SA _ 15.50 _ 14.25 _ 1.25 W/SA _ 16.65 _ 16.06 _ 0.59 AA/S _ 10.60 _ 9.37 _ 1.23 A/S _ 10.95 _ 9.94 _ 1.01 B/S _ 11.20 _ 10.15 _ 1.05 C/S _ 11.35 _ 10.85 _ 0.50 D/S _ 11.50 _ 10.45 _ 1.05 E/S _ 11.65 _ 11.15 _ 0.50 F/S _ 11.80 _ 11.30 _ 0.50 G/S _ 11.90 _ 10.94 _ 0.96 H/S _ 12.00 _ 11.09 _ 0.91 I/S _ 12.20 _ 11.70 _ 0.50 J/S _ 12.35 _ 11.85 _ 0.50 K/S _ 12.55 _ 11.61 _ 0.94 L/S _ 12.70 _ 11.60 _ 1.10 M/S _ 12.85 _ 11.98 _ 0.87 N/S _ 12.95 _ 12.03 _ 0.92 O/S _ 13.10 _ 12.60 _ 0.50 P/S _ 13.35 _ 12.28 _ 1.07 Q/S _ 13.65 _ 12.71 _ 0.94 R/S _ 13.95 _ 13.45 _ 0.50 T/S _ 14.40 _ 14.20 _ 0.20 U/S _ 14.65 _ 14.45 _ 0.20 V/S _ 15.25 _ 15.01 _ 0.24 W/S _ 16.40 _ 15.77 _ 0.63 AF/S _ 13.85 _ 12.95 _ 0.90 BF/S _ 14.65 _ 14.15 _ 0.50 CF/S _ 15.15 _ 14.17 _ 0.98 DF/S _ 15.60 _ 15.10 _ 0.50 EF/S _ 17.45 _ 17.25 _ 0.20 AAF/S _ 13.50 _ 13.00 _ 0.50 Thanks :-) peace Looks much better in terms of columns before I save it - ahh I got it - no i didn't - I give up on the formating its good enough to make the ponit __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham Last edited by Andys dad; 02-19-2011 at 11:48 AM. Reason: spelling and formating after saving

02-19-2011, 11:32 AM	#2
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 232 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: How much undeer the index is your record There in lies the reason no records are being set, if all runs count then you will get wacked on Tue. Someone mentioned this last week for the div 2 race in a mine shaft. Set a record and get punished, sounds about right as nhra goes. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

02-19-2011, 01:23 PM	#3
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 751 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: How much undeer the index is your record From the look of the list if you want to set a record put a stick in your car. A lot of those classes have room to set a record.

02-19-2011, 02:29 PM	#4
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: How much under the index is your record Hey, Why change you combination with a stick? That is just more money we have to spend chasing a dream. No it is actually more punishment to you pocket book for being fast. I hate to say this because of the backlash, but IHRA is looking better all the time. I can run my car fast, tinker with it at the races and learn some things as long as I don't go quicker than 1.40 under. I can go run my car without being in bracket mode. I won't be punished for adding to the performance of my car. As pointed out earlier I don't have to harm an index to set a record. I could actually set a couple of IHRA records lower than the current NHRA records with out going quicker than the magic 1.40 under. I bet there are other racers in the same situation. High entry fees, fees for everything you (they) can think of, High fuel costs, I'm beginning to realize all this & AHFS enhancement has my ego deflating at the rate my pocketbook is also being deflated. Wow, I can't believe this...give me a Prozac __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

02-20-2011, 08:51 AM	#5
doublet Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Sioux Falls SD Posts: 27 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How much undeer the index is your record The table is interesting, but being a non-racer, I have a couple of questions. 1. There are some classes where quite a bit of disparity exists between the index and the record just before and just after. For example: C/S record is .5 under the index, but B/S & D/S are both 1.05 under, and then E/S and F/S both go to .5 again. Why? 2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the index supposed to be what a reasonably prepared race car should run on average each time down the track? Does this mean that, on average, for every car that consistantly can run 1 second under it's index, that there are an equal number of cars within that index that can't get within 1 second of it? These may be stupid questions, but like I said, I am only a spectator.

02-20-2011, 09:00 AM	#6
Bob Bender VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,727 Likes: 1,585 Liked 452 Times in 88 Posts	Re: How much undeer the index is your record Some of the records are altitude corrected that is BS!!! __________________ Bob Bender 144 O/SA 2010-2012 National Record Holder

02-20-2011, 09:24 AM	#7
doublet Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Sioux Falls SD Posts: 27 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How much undeer the index is your record Only some?

02-20-2011, 09:50 AM	#8
Pedigo Perf Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Wichita Ks Posts: 383 Likes: 70 Liked 30 Times in 17 Posts	Re: How much undeer the index is your record It would be nice if NHRA allowed a few events where you could run as hard as possible to set a record without the penalties......but they don't. Thats why the records are at altitude tracks. Go get you one if you dare.

02-20-2011, 09:54 AM	#9
doublet Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Sioux Falls SD Posts: 27 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How much undeer the index is your record That still doesn't explain to me why the diparity between some classes.

02-20-2011, 10:11 AM	#10
Pedigo Perf Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Wichita Ks Posts: 383 Likes: 70 Liked 30 Times in 17 Posts	Re: How much undeer the index is your record Jim Hughes C/S can run 1.0 under at will but you don't see him setting the record probably because it is a pain in the butt (teardown) and pays ZERO!