Red light survey

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Bill you're a BRACKET RACER not a class racer.Do what Chad said and lobby NHRA for the change in the bracket program.
You can respond with suggestions and I can counter them.Yoy're not being muffled,just remember what you suggest affects others not you.Go on the Bracket section and make
all the suggestions you want,for the type of racing YOU DO.

Eddie, Be nice .Remember, this section is for fans too.
Without a few fans, ....... ya got nuttin'

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Eddie, Be nice .Remember, this section is for fans too.
Without a few fans, ....... ya got nuttin'

Mark if you were a baseball player and the fans said you had to give all the lousy teams a fourth out every inning what would you think?That's what his "opinions" add up to.Think about it.
I don't go on the bracket section and try to meddle in their business.In the early 90s when electronics went wild in bracket racing I did'nt like it.Voiced my opinion.Didn't change anything.I stopped racing till I started in Stock.Now the crap is starting up again

[Sean Kennedy]

Ed,

I don't know why you are specifically calling me out. I'm not one of the poeple constantly harping on this particular rule. I think it makes sense to change it, but have never gone around making that case to anyone. I really don't care.

I've almost always had a slower car and have done plenty well with the rules the way they are, and it makes no difference to me one way or the other.

LOL@Bob Gullet

[bill dedman]

[QUOTE=.Bill you're a BRACKET RACER not a class racer. Tell me the difference in the waay I am treated on the starting line, with regard to red lights.. Please.
Is there any difference?

If there is, tell me what it is. If I'm the slower car, and leave first, if I red light, the second car to leave gets a free ride to the next round. Is that any different for you?

I don't think so.

So, the fact that I'm running a Bracket car and you're running a Class car makes no difference at all; we both get screwed by the same, lopsided, rule.

You and I both got a chance to red light, and he did not.

This makes NO sense... Everybody should have the same chance at a red light.

The way it is, the second car is prevented from having his chance, if either you or I red light, first.

Tell me: 1. How that is in any way, fair, and 2. what diference it makes if I'm a Bracket Racer or a Class Racer; we both suffer the same fate.




I'm listening.

[Ed Fernandez]

Very simple.You have your rules to follow when bracket racing and we have ours as class
racers.I'm not stopping you from petitioning NHRA,IHRA or whoever from getting the rule changed for BRACKET RACING.

If anyone here thinks my reasoning is wrong please tell me.I'm tired of getting through to this guy.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Very simple.You have your rules to follow when bracket racing and we have ours as class
racers.I'm not stopping you from petitioning NHRA,IHRA or whoever from getting the rule changed for BRACKET RACING.

If anyone here thinks my reasoning is wrong please tell me.I'm tired of getting through to this guy.

Ed why are you bothering with all this. You know they aren't going to change anything. That is why I haven't got interested in this. Let those that want to knock temselves out.
Have some fun in the lounge.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

.Bill you're a BRACKET RACER not a class racer. Tell me the difference in the waay I am treated on the starting line, with regard to red lights.. Please.
Is there any difference?

If there is, tell me what it is. If I'm the slower car, and leave first, if I red light, the second car to leave gets a free ride to the next round. Is that any different for you?

I don't think so.

So, the fact that I'm running a Bracket car and you're running a Class car makes no difference at all; we both get screwed by the same, lopsided, rule.

You and I both got a chance to red light, and he did not.

This makes NO sense... Everybody should have the same chance at a red light.

The way it is, the second car is prevented from having his chance, if either you or I red light, first.

Tell me: 1. How that is in any way, fair, and 2. what diference it makes if I'm a Bracket Racer or a Class Racer; we both suffer the same fate.




I'm listening.

what you fail to grasp is that class racers have much bigger fish to fry when it comes to rules, or issues that affect class racing. I guess that this is the biggest issue you have with bracket racing, or maybe what the guy in the other lane had for dinner.

If bracket racing followed the rule as you would like to see it, and class racing was different then you would have a) a valid point, b) empirical evidence. As it stands you are annoying class racers who really do have bigger issues to deal with, especially as NHRA continues to "enhance" us. I do understand wanting to change a rule you think is wrong, hell i think race seats should be legal, and the DP/CJ cars should have an intellectually honest factor. I've made my opinion clear several times, most will agree about the new cars, its a split on the seats. I think seats are coming soon, especially considering how fast the new cars are. However, I'm not dissatisfied with the sport because of those two things (well not abut the seats anyway, lol).

You sound like you are really dissatisfied. I have a few suggestions for you if you are really serious about this. 1) get data. Get data to show what percentage of of races did both cars go red, the faster car was worse. Take that data, present it here, send it to NHRA.......I'm sure they will care just as much as they have about a lot of the issues we have brought to their attention. 2) Get a new hobby, you are apparently miserable. I hear if you play little league baseball they don't even keep score and everyone gets a trophy. Maybe you could star a race series like that, oh wait that would be test and tune. Maybe car shows are more up your alley, but you'd surely find something to bitch about there too.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Mark if you were a baseball player and the fans said you had to give all the lousy teams a fourth out every inning what would you think?That's what his "opinions" add up to.Think about it.
I don't go on the bracket section and try to meddle in their business.In the early 90s when electronics went wild in bracket racing I did'nt like it.Voiced my opinion.Didn't change anything.I stopped racing till I started in Stock.Now the crap is starting up again

Eddie My Love, (Teen Queens, 1958)

Your baseball analogy is not working for me.

You remember when you used to go to Yankee Stadium as a wee lad, when the pitcher had to take the plate or leave the game. That was replaced by the DH rule in 1973.
Whether you agree or not, it was put into place for the betterment of the sport (or so they thought) I'm not about to place a poll on it here, but I bet I could pose the questions to skew the results any way I wanted.

Swing away,....



(BTW, The late, great Lee Sherman was the one who said that the concept of Super Gas was like giving an inferior team four outs to an inning)

[smracer2002]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Ed, nobody watches us anyway.

Thats BS right there,Ed W.Theres a few of us that
walk around when the fuel and alky cars run.We find
Pro/Stk,Comp,S/Stk and Stk much more interesting.

Granted we are in the minority but in this case the
minority is right.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by smracer2002

Thats BS right there,Ed W.Theres a few of us that
walk around when the fuel and alky cars run.We find
Pro/Stk,Comp,S/Stk and Stk much more interesting.

Granted we are in the minority but in this case the
minority is right.

Doesn't matter. Ain't gonna change. May as well get over it.