The new BIR payout

5919 SSKA · 03-03-2011, 01:02 PM

The key in all of this is HOW TO get 33 cars, when in the past several years the class was from 16 to 24 or so..........that's a lot of cars to pick up. Impossible---no.

The "Box" is an ok idea, if ALL participate. But if that's the case, why not just make the entry fee higher?!?!

Maybe if a couple Series sponsors could be found it might make things sweeter yet.

If all else fails, the BIR bracket program looks pretty darn good in 2011! $2000 Win/$1200 R-U after the Super Pro/Pro run off on a $60 entry fee.

Joe Demarais · 03-03-2011, 01:30 PM

Travis, your very right about car count, the racers have to make an effort to show up to get a better payout, forget about the USA payout of old, that was when there was advertizing sold and silent auctions to raise the extra cash, I don't see much activity with that now. I think the entry fee is good, I would rather pay that than $150 to go to a divisional and win 4 rounds to win very little. I think BIR takes 20% and I see nothing wrong with that.Thats a big track to take care of. Ron, what the hell is it going to take to make you happy? Tell us, and we'll do our best to make you happy.

ron mattson · 03-03-2011, 01:38 PM

Travis and Ron here is your payout solution, drag your cars all 3-4 of them to fargo, rent the track for 400.00 and then pay 100.00 each and you can have winner 200.00 r/u 100.00 and
semi finalists 50.00, thats 100 percent payout and you guys will be (Happy) for a change,
then you can do a group hug and ask where else your going to drive to to race. Oh i forgot the track rental, and fuel and 300k in hauler and cars but just absorb it and smile!!! Feel the love!!!!! Flame on boys!!!!!!!!

Mike Casteel · 03-03-2011, 01:41 PM

Now you see Travis, it pays more to bracket race your car than run it in Stk/ SS so come on over and run with us lowly racers.

5919 SSKA · 03-03-2011, 02:01 PM

Ron--I don't get your attitude, but whatever. I'm just trying to make this sport better than what it has been. I just have a different opinion on how to do it. Right, Wrong, or Indifferent I'm not going to change.

I plan on it Mike. The Chevelle is almost all freshened and ready to go.

ron mattson · 03-03-2011, 02:13 PM

Please, (Travis) first stop and think about this, we are in the most geographically challenged area
for drag racing in the country for the number of tracks in close proximity, second this is a
nationwide forum and the only people complaining about the payout at combo races in
the country are ding ding ding (YOU) and (RON ZENZEN) again please (THINK) about it!

Ron Zenzen 5402 · 03-03-2011, 02:32 PM

Just wondering, who raced the second day of the two day raced last year?? I didnt like No Qual run but did it anyway. Joe? Kerby? Ron?

5919 SSKA · 03-03-2011, 02:53 PM

I doubt any of you will miss me if I'm there or not.
If your happy the way the payout has been in the past (prior to this season), then good for you...I haven't been, and that's why I have stayed away from racing the BIR combos. I am happy there is a direction with BIR and the committee.

Get 33 cars to show, this can work...if not, it's not going to be worth it with out some sort of guaranteed payout. You just won't get the cars to show (case in point as Mr. Mattson pointed out---demographics) for a 1-day race. And in 2012 S/SS at BIR will be no more.

It effects me VERY little, as I will gladly bracket race my Chevelle.

Together on another thread, we brainstormed over 70 S/SS racer's names from MN alone. Why have only 16 to 24 been showing up? If that issue get's solved, all this blah, blah, blah bickering will stop.

Eric Kitzan · 03-03-2011, 03:28 PM

What payout would it take to get more guys to show up? You can't tell me 1200.00 bucks to win is bad, that isn't a lot less then a national event pays. One big reason to show up is to support a race that is being put together by another racer. That's the biggest reason I asked Glen about the sponsorship deal and believe me I have plenty of other things I could spend the money on! So instead of everybody arguing about this, that, and the other thing just come out and race, I know I will when I get my car done.

Ron Zenzen 5402 · 03-03-2011, 02:09 PM

Didnt know I was unhappy. Just saying how it was before. Did you know I was at BIR the whole Haunted Hey Ride weekend Helping out. Sitting with the owners Fri and Sat nite trying to save S & SS, Saying that there should be a group of people to rep the classes? Now you say I should go to Fargo to race. No, I didnt save the world but I tried. Where were you? Think Im against this? No, just want it right for everyone. Dont want me there? Thats OK too.

03-03-2011, 01:02 PM	#1
5919 SSKA Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN Posts: 284 Likes: 20 Liked 19 Times in 5 Posts	Re: The new BIR payout The key in all of this is HOW TO get 33 cars, when in the past several years the class was from 16 to 24 or so..........that's a lot of cars to pick up. Impossible---no. The "Box" is an ok idea, if ALL participate. But if that's the case, why not just make the entry fee higher?!?! Maybe if a couple Series sponsors could be found it might make things sweeter yet. If all else fails, the BIR bracket program looks pretty darn good in 2011! $2000 Win/$1200 R-U after the Super Pro/Pro run off on a $60 entry fee. __________________ Racing web page

03-03-2011, 01:30 PM	#2
Joe Demarais Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Forest Lake, Mn Posts: 109 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The new BIR payout Travis, your very right about car count, the racers have to make an effort to show up to get a better payout, forget about the USA payout of old, that was when there was advertizing sold and silent auctions to raise the extra cash, I don't see much activity with that now. I think the entry fee is good, I would rather pay that than $150 to go to a divisional and win 4 rounds to win very little. I think BIR takes 20% and I see nothing wrong with that.Thats a big track to take care of. Ron, what the hell is it going to take to make you happy? Tell us, and we'll do our best to make you happy. __________________ Joe Demarais SS

03-03-2011, 01:38 PM	#3
ron mattson Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: cloquet mn Posts: 467 Likes: 17 Liked 68 Times in 31 Posts	Re: The new BIR payout Travis and Ron here is your payout solution, drag your cars all 3-4 of them to fargo, rent the track for 400.00 and then pay 100.00 each and you can have winner 200.00 r/u 100.00 and semi finalists 50.00, thats 100 percent payout and you guys will be (Happy) for a change, then you can do a group hug and ask where else your going to drive to to race. Oh i forgot the track rental, and fuel and 300k in hauler and cars but just absorb it and smile!!! Feel the love!!!!! Flame on boys!!!!!!!! __________________ Ron Mattson 5015 STK

03-03-2011, 01:41 PM	#4
Mike Casteel Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 15 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The new BIR payout Now you see Travis, it pays more to bracket race your car than run it in Stk/ SS so come on over and run with us lowly racers.

03-03-2011, 02:01 PM	#5
5919 SSKA Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN Posts: 284 Likes: 20 Liked 19 Times in 5 Posts	Re: The new BIR payout Ron--I don't get your attitude, but whatever. I'm just trying to make this sport better than what it has been. I just have a different opinion on how to do it. Right, Wrong, or Indifferent I'm not going to change. I plan on it Mike. The Chevelle is almost all freshened and ready to go. __________________ Racing web page

03-03-2011, 02:13 PM	#6
ron mattson Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: cloquet mn Posts: 467 Likes: 17 Liked 68 Times in 31 Posts	Re: The new BIR payout Please, (Travis) first stop and think about this, we are in the most geographically challenged area for drag racing in the country for the number of tracks in close proximity, second this is a nationwide forum and the only people complaining about the payout at combo races in the country are ding ding ding (YOU) and (RON ZENZEN) again please (THINK) about it! __________________ Ron Mattson 5015 STK

03-03-2011, 02:32 PM	#7
Ron Zenzen 5402 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 76 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The new BIR payout Just wondering, who raced the second day of the two day raced last year?? I didnt like No Qual run but did it anyway. Joe? Kerby? Ron? __________________ Ron Zenzen 5402 SS

03-03-2011, 02:53 PM	#8
5919 SSKA Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN Posts: 284 Likes: 20 Liked 19 Times in 5 Posts	Re: The new BIR payout I doubt any of you will miss me if I'm there or not. If your happy the way the payout has been in the past (prior to this season), then good for you...I haven't been, and that's why I have stayed away from racing the BIR combos. I am happy there is a direction with BIR and the committee. Get 33 cars to show, this can work...if not, it's not going to be worth it with out some sort of guaranteed payout. You just won't get the cars to show (case in point as Mr. Mattson pointed out---demographics) for a 1-day race. And in 2012 S/SS at BIR will be no more. It effects me VERY little, as I will gladly bracket race my Chevelle. Together on another thread, we brainstormed over 70 S/SS racer's names from MN alone. Why have only 16 to 24 been showing up? If that issue get's solved, all this blah, blah, blah bickering will stop. __________________ Racing web page

03-03-2011, 03:28 PM	#9
Eric Kitzan Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Glen ullin ND Posts: 62 Likes: 3 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The new BIR payout What payout would it take to get more guys to show up? You can't tell me 1200.00 bucks to win is bad, that isn't a lot less then a national event pays. One big reason to show up is to support a race that is being put together by another racer. That's the biggest reason I asked Glen about the sponsorship deal and believe me I have plenty of other things I could spend the money on! So instead of everybody arguing about this, that, and the other thing just come out and race, I know I will when I get my car done. __________________ Eric Kitzan 66 Chevelle Malibu Wagon Stocker

03-03-2011, 02:09 PM	#10
Ron Zenzen 5402 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 76 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The new BIR payout Didnt know I was unhappy. Just saying how it was before. Did you know I was at BIR the whole Haunted Hey Ride weekend Helping out. Sitting with the owners Fri and Sat nite trying to save S & SS, Saying that there should be a group of people to rep the classes? Now you say I should go to Fargo to race. No, I didnt save the world but I tried. Where were you? Think Im against this? No, just want it right for everyone. Dont want me there? Thats OK too. __________________ Ron Zenzen 5402 SS