9.339 @ 143.03 !!!!

Steve Williams · 03-12-2011, 11:02 PM

Johnny Shot-The faster car is usually the one who crosses the track and T-Bones the slower one. This is Stockers. Not Pro Mod/Stock or Comp. You have obviously never seen this happen or heard of this happening. In BREAKOUT racing, people get on the brakes and this is usually what starts the sequence of events in motion. This does not have to be a "perfect storm" to happen. If that was the case, then there are alot of perfect storms happening every year. Potential high 8 second cars have no business running with 16 second cars where the closure rate is 60 MPH or more. This ain't about hating on Mustangs-it is about what is safe. Thanks again for opinion, whatever your name is.

MikeFicacci · 03-13-2011, 12:52 AM

Just out of curiosity, while we are on the subject of 9-second cars, does anybody know what the fastest pass by a "conventional" car is in A. Not talking about altitude either.

Stephen & Horace Johnson · 03-13-2011, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeFicacci

Just out of curiosity, while we are on the subject of 9-second cars, does anybody know what the fastest pass by a "conventional" car is in A. Not talking about altitude either.

Mike, Pond has been .60s, at 138. I do believe that's the quickest and fastest an "A" car has been.

johnny shot · 03-13-2011, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Williams

Johnny Shot-The faster car is usually the one who crosses the track and T-Bones the slower one. This is Stockers. Not Pro Mod/Stock or Comp. You have obviously never seen this happen or heard of this happening. In BREAKOUT racing, people get on the brakes and this is usually what starts the sequence of events in motion. This does not have to be a "perfect storm" to happen. If that was the case, then there are alot of perfect storms happening every year. Potential high 8 second cars have no business running with 16 second cars where the closure rate is 60 MPH or more. This ain't about hating on Mustangs-it is about what is safe. Thanks again for opinion, whatever your name is.

Following your logic, we have to end all the Super Stock/Stock Combo races. Steve Williams has declared it unsafe.
While you're at it, no more dragsters against door cars at the brackets.
And since it sounds like you may be unfamiliar with comp, guys are on the brakes on the top end on a regular basis, and there are closing rates in excess of 60 mph. So I guess that needs to end for safety as well.

Steve Williams · 03-13-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny shot

Following your logic, we have to end all the Super Stock/Stock Combo races. Steve Williams has declared it unsafe.
While you're at it, no more dragsters against door cars at the brackets.
And since it sounds like you may be unfamiliar with comp, guys are on the brakes on the top end on a regular basis, and there are closing rates in excess of 60 mph. So I guess that needs to end for safety as well.

I give up Johnny Shot. You missed the point entirely. As for no experience in Comp racing, that is wrong. I have been helping various racers in Comp for over 30 years. Been helping the same team for the last sixteen years. Comp has no relevance to the point I was trying to make. The Comp cars are much safer than a lower classed Stocker with little safety gear. To all that think that I am against slower stockers-That is not the case, I currently have a car that is legal to run T, R and U with one engine combo and K,L and M with the other. Sorry if I offended anyone, that was not my intention. The Mustangs are impressive with what they have done to this point. How much are they opening the throttle? 65%? A little more? I know for certain that late last year a fellow stock driver with a new Mustang, who I am close with, told me the % that he was opening the throttle. He told me that he knew that a few others were using the same % at that time. If he ran 9.70's at 50ish% throttle in A, then how fast do you think he can run in AA at 90ish%? In the 8's at over 150 as I am told. Sorry for hijacking the thread.

Signed with my real name,

Steve Williams

P.S. I choose not to post under a fictitious name as I stand behind what I rant about.

novassdude · 03-13-2011, 02:22 PM

My guess is that if the NHRA thought it was unsafe to have that much difference in speeds it would not be the fast car that they would get rid of. Not saying they should or that it is right. Just betting with the way they think that is what would happen.

CBS · 03-13-2011, 02:35 PM

Steve,
......maybe I could turn my throttle percentage up to 150 percent and speed my car up.....let it go....

Rock Haas

Steve Williams · 03-13-2011, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CBS

Steve,
......maybe I could turn my throttle percentage up to 150 percent and speed my car up.....let it go....

Rock Haas

I hear ya Rock. See you at Indy.

NewHemi · 03-13-2011, 08:46 PM

This is exactly the point I have been making all along, and that Chris (Drooze) often made to dead ears. Everybody wanted to dump on the Dodge Challenger, but we have never been the real threat. We just got some out there earlier and more visibly...

It is the supercharge mustangs that you guys really need to watch our for. All they have to do is turn the screw a little and faster they they go.

We actually have to do things that make our car faster. Dodge Challengers (especially the 5.7 and 6.1) are last great pushrod naturally aspired engines.

It is absolutely ludicrous that NHRA allows blown engines to play in the same sandbox as naturally aspirated. But the NHRA doesn't care a bit about stock, and the Ford Motor Company greases their palms, so anything goes.

So, leave the challenger alone, and beat up on the real enemy if you feel like beating up on somebody..

Even the V10's are only one class, but you get Fords running up your tailpipe in a whole host of classes. Are you happy now?

And, BTW, congrats to Drew and encouragement to Rock. It isn't their fault that the NHRA doesn't understand what is fair, and what isn't.

David
The New Hemi Guy

Pedigo Perf · 03-13-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Williams

Johnny Shot-The faster car is usually the one who crosses the track and T-Bones the slower one. This is Stockers. Not Pro Mod/Stock or Comp. You have obviously never seen this happen or heard of this happening. In BREAKOUT racing, people get on the brakes and this is usually what starts the sequence of events in motion. This does not have to be a "perfect storm" to happen. If that was the case, then there are alot of perfect storms happening every year. Potential high 8 second cars have no business running with 16 second cars where the closure rate is 60 MPH or more. This ain't about hating on Mustangs-it is about what is safe. Thanks again for opinion, whatever your name is.

You are right Steve, those 16 second cars should even be allowed on the track at all.

03-12-2011, 11:02 PM	#1
Steve Williams Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Detroit, Michigan Posts: 352 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 9.339 @ 143.03 !!!! Johnny Shot-The faster car is usually the one who crosses the track and T-Bones the slower one. This is Stockers. Not Pro Mod/Stock or Comp. You have obviously never seen this happen or heard of this happening. In BREAKOUT racing, people get on the brakes and this is usually what starts the sequence of events in motion. This does not have to be a "perfect storm" to happen. If that was the case, then there are alot of perfect storms happening every year. Potential high 8 second cars have no business running with 16 second cars where the closure rate is 60 MPH or more. This ain't about hating on Mustangs-it is about what is safe. Thanks again for opinion, whatever your name is.

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MikeFicacci Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 242 Likes: 1 Liked 19 Times in 2 Posts	Re: 9.339 @ 143.03 !!!! Just out of curiosity, while we are on the subject of 9-second cars, does anybody know what the fastest pass by a "conventional" car is in A. Not talking about altitude either. __________________ Mike Ficacci Stk 1010

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novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 752 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: 9.339 @ 143.03 !!!! My guess is that if the NHRA thought it was unsafe to have that much difference in speeds it would not be the fast car that they would get rid of. Not saying they should or that it is right. Just betting with the way they think that is what would happen.

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CBS VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Commerce, Mi Posts: 1,387 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: 9.339 @ 143.03 !!!! Steve, ......maybe I could turn my throttle percentage up to 150 percent and speed my car up.....let it go.... Rock Haas Last edited by CBS; 03-13-2011 at 02:42 PM.

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NewHemi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 472 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 9.339 @ 143.03 !!!! This is exactly the point I have been making all along, and that Chris (Drooze) often made to dead ears. Everybody wanted to dump on the Dodge Challenger, but we have never been the real threat. We just got some out there earlier and more visibly... It is the supercharge mustangs that you guys really need to watch our for. All they have to do is turn the screw a little and faster they they go. We actually have to do things that make our car faster. Dodge Challengers (especially the 5.7 and 6.1) are last great pushrod naturally aspired engines. It is absolutely ludicrous that NHRA allows blown engines to play in the same sandbox as naturally aspirated. But the NHRA doesn't care a bit about stock, and the Ford Motor Company greases their palms, so anything goes. So, leave the challenger alone, and beat up on the real enemy if you feel like beating up on somebody.. Even the V10's are only one class, but you get Fords running up your tailpipe in a whole host of classes. Are you happy now? And, BTW, congrats to Drew and encouragement to Rock. It isn't their fault that the NHRA doesn't understand what is fair, and what isn't. David The New Hemi Guy Last edited by NewHemi; 03-13-2011 at 08:54 PM.